anyway my skin is extremely pale, cause I tend to burn, so sunscreen, sunscreen, sunscreen. I. think the term "Black Irish" was a derogatory and discriminatory term used to perpetuate the idea that the Irish were collectively a lower class, the poorest in Europe, and comparable to the "blacks" in Africa. expectations and, at root, the belief in the inevitability of failure. says of Irish Americans: "We don't necessarily call them Irish.". We are from County Roscommon- the O'Boyles - we have dark black hair and hazel eyes- freckles and pale skin. He said they were intruders to Ireland and were no Irish at all. One such example is that of the hundreds of thousands of Irish peasants who emigrated to America after the Great Famine of 1845 to 1849. Credit: Adobe Stock - Gorodenkoff Yet, as a subject of historical discussion, it is almost never referred to in Ireland. He says, That guy's father was our how cool is that haha. However, there are Irish persons around the world that will have a dark complexion. It's not a typical Irish last name. There are a number of different claims as to the origin of the term Black Irish, none of which are possible to entirely prove or disprove. This little known plugin reveals the answer. I am Irish, so who gives a crap? eyes. They have the best white hair in @152949: Yes, I'd be afraid to wear it too! This characteristic is similar to the Basque males of Spain and is believed to be responsible for the dark features. I have Irish eye shape as well, more obvious when I was a young child. Yes, there are black Irish - maybe they are examples of the first Celts. Black Lawrence Press, an independent publishing company based in upstate New York. My dads last name is Baker, because way back when my family were bakers, his family lived in Ireland and Scotland and moved to the U.S. black Irish - potato famine of the mid-nineteenth century - black rot. 2023 The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers on this website. People on the west coast of Ireland are almost genetically identical to people in the Basque region. people; they never speak well of one another. Do some basic research on genetics. An Here's what I do know about the Irish in the U.S. from the experience of some family members, as well as some historical documentation: The Irish fled their bad situation at home to come to America, only to discover that, because they looked different due to their dark hair, and because they still spoke Gaelic, they were once again "black". Does this finally help explain the dark Irish phenomenon? The oldest continent is Africa and everyone -- everyone is from there! the next." There were Black Kings of Ireland. on the census, but we don't have our schools filling up with Helmuts and I tend to think that there is an ancient dark Pictish strain in this. Although it is impossible to work out the skin color of the prehistoric hunter, it is likely to have been darker than modern white Europeans. She has black hair and brown hair. i have been told a couple times that i am dark skinned like tanned i suppose and my father's family are descendants of Ireland and Britain and my mother's are of Ireland Scotland Germany and Britain and my mom seems to think i could have black Irish in me because i am dark all year round, is this possible? Either way, the features of the Fir Bolg may be attributed to the appearance of the BlackIrish people of today. The Black Irish - what are the truths and what are the myths? Stubborn, a born fighter, violent, physical, passionate. The romans also never made it on to the island of Ireland because the Irish were considered to be too rough and wild to be civilized and were considered to not be worth the effort it would take the romans to civilise them. It's one of the best commodities known to man and it has a place at every occasion in the Irish social calendar. Derogatory names for immigrant groups are legion and in the case of those who left Ireland include "Shanty Irish" and almost certainly "Black Irish." It remains, therefore, a descriptive term used for many purposes, rather than a reference to an actual class of people who may have survived the centuries. Nothing Iberian about it. This group is also sometimes referred to as black Irish. Immigrant groups throughout history have generally been treated poorly by the indigenous population (or by those who simply settled first). This obsession with Irish "purity" just doesn't exist anywhere else. It really does annoy me when folk post fake info on stuff they clearly know nothing about. Tired women's faces that know To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. 1. the world. I am Irish and growing up was told we were Black Irish meaning Roman Catholic. The migrants became 'Gaelicized' and formed septs (a kind of clan) along Gaelic lines. I thought "Dark Irish" refers to those as having very fair skin yet dark hair and blue, green or hazel/brown eyes. . . feeling it's the mothers who give them to the sons, at least -- that I don't care for the term "Black Irish" all that much either. ummm, a "friend" of mine is black irish. 4 (3 views). The dense coat is waterproof, an ideal trait for this expert swimmer and water retriever. In 1862, John Beddoe, an esteemed ethnologist, published Races of Britain, in which he described people of Celtic descent as having features similar to those of African descent. The worst of it is that . Easter portraits with hundreds of I read an entire book on schizophrenia and it is a phenomenon that has never been solved. I just always thought it had something to do with being a traveler. I'm just learning about my background and -- wow. Heh. Black Irish: The same skin without the freckles, and hair that is my father is tanned all year round, that guy gets a tan in the winter, me though, i am not as dark as my father, but when i am in the sun i get an instant tan. All the women in my family fall under this description. impetuous, impatient, and improvident, instinctively brave, Fair skin and dark hair with Irish features. the thinking at the time was that these people were not capable of self government. So much for a superior legacy when you got most of your knowledge from other people, but claim it to be yours. It is not "black Irish" but Irish in general. They are not "not real Irish." Maybe some1 who is black irish can answer it truthfully 4 me? Therefore, it can be asserted that the BlackIrish are the descendants of the Irish and Africans of Monserrat and also the offspring of the Basque people of Spain. And yes, this family considered themselves to be "Black Irish", from the time of the wrecks of the Spanish Armada. What you get in the end are Irish and Scots Gaelic. . Anyone have any ideas?. I still am not quite sure what that is, but the family name for five generations of women that I know of is Regina Alicia.I don't think that is a traditional Irish name. My mother is black Irish mainly and a bit of English. If you go to Irish speaking communities, you will see a significant number of the population with dark features. It was also used in Ireland by Catholics in Ulster Province as a derogatory term to describe the Protestant Planters. It's just plain disrespectful to use a term with a negative connotation about any people of any race/religion/heritage being enslaved or murdered. light olive skin, but tans in the summer (she can be mistaken for Italian, Mexican or Mediterranean). They tend to have dark, almost olive tone with thick, dark hair. Blonde hair, on the other hand, took much longer to develop, starting gradually with hair colors only slightly lighter than in preceding generations. ones seem to have a wisdom -- they've seen the worst the world can dish a 1954 Buick Roadmaster. Also, his wife, my paternal grandmother came from a family of three siblings - one red haired and freckled like me (like my grandmother), one blond haired, blue eyed with pale skin who looked Scandanavian and one who was dark haired, with dark eyes and skin. They have fair, cool-toned skin like most Irish people. shamrocks, jig-dancing, shillelagh toting and the occasional outburst of My wife is Black Irish I believe. of the Irish. names, regardless of last names? He is of Native American and Irish decent. I'm a descendent of the Fitzgeralds who were Normans that were given lands in Ireland by the Brits. looked forward to.". Blacks ruled Scotland for many years. Oh, forgot to add, I married into an Irish clan and have no Irish ancestry that I am aware of myself. Having a youthful-looking face a babyface, as it were is desirable. ", But Irish faces are artworks, monuments to Irishness, and we are Scots-Irish / Scotch-Irish Americans . Our father has dark brown hair and blue eyes and also very fair, almost pinkish, skin. Black Dutch was also used. I met a lady once who had lived in Wales and at first she said, "you look Latino," then she had another look and said i look just like the "Kale" -- Welsh gypsies. My parents were from Ireland. More recently, they have found that the Irish and British are more related to Belgians, Dutch and Northern French (Brittany). It's not impossible for Mulatto people who are Irish to look more like their Irish parent, or vice versa. There is variety in t. I am Irish. Another possible origin of this term is that it was created by people who wanted to hide their true ancestry. My Maternal mDNA family line is almost pure Irish/Scot. Consenting to these technologies will allow us to process data such as browsing behavior or unique IDs on this site. I know through my families' research that I have quite a few ancestors from Spain and Portugal, including a whole family of upper class Spanish merchants whom arrived in Ireland about 200 years ago. And my eyes are green hazel, which means they are mostly green/gray with some brown, and they change with my mood. Both my mothers family and my fathers family came to the U.S. after "the troubles. My grandmother said it wasn't safe to be Catholic in Ireland anymore, after the kidnapping, bombs and shootings going on in Ireland at the time. In addition to appearing amongst humans, the pheomelanin carrying individuals also appeared amongst mammoths, bears and other mammals of the Upper Paleolithic. the movie "the secret of roan inish" gives a mythical story behind the black irish..that they came from seals..it's interesting anyway. Mom's accent changed late in life. And though the majority have the blue genes as a dominate gene, we all still carry the brown eyed gene. Irish people who have dark hair, brown eyes and dark complexions are often referred to as Black Irish. I think it's just interesting to have these conversations and share what connects us and what makes us unique. There are some redheads in Ireland though but not as many as there are people with dark eyes and hair. Their noses were softer and smaller than their Germanic counterparts - more like African than "European" (as it was generally understood). The matter of contention is not on the physical features but rather on the origin of the traits. Black Irish has nothing to do with Africa or an African connection. So maybe well my last name is scottish, and me, my brother, and dad all have dark brown hair, and either dark hazel/dark brown eyes, which is also stated in my family crest history. For all of you who posted your family was referred to as being black Irish, look what they did for a living. It was later against the law to breed Irish and African slaves because it cut into the profit of a major slave shipping company. fatalism, doom. Of course, the Irish, just like all people, can come in different hair colors and eye colors. At that time I did some research, and found that the 'native' Irish, before the scots were exiled to the Ireland with their red hair - were dark haired individuals. 'Black Irish' is often a description of people of Irish origin who had dark features, black hair, dark complexion and eyes. Totally fascinating! If you look at Ireland you will notice that people on the east coast, where most of the invasions landed, are paler than the people in the west, who by and large escaped the worst of the invasions by foreign settlers. #1. The Declaration of Arbroath in the 14th century, Scotland's Declaration of Independence (from which many others were copied) states that Scotland's ancestors included Scythian warriors and Egyptian princesses; the myth is the daughter of Aeneas. It has taught me hard work, and also that it's not a sin if I've worked hard for it! No people look completely the same. Facial Width People with bigger cheekbones and wider faces (think Sylvester Stallone or Sarah Palin) generally have higher levels of testosterone, and thus are supposedly more likely to be. you're talking. My father was scotch Irish, flaming red hair and freckles and brown eyes. I would need hours ofwriting here to make my point;( lets just say - that if it shows your dNA test has 44% irish , 22 scottish, 4 spanish, 3 african etc etc..it does NOT mean you are not 100% irish, because these are just indications of similarity- not bloodlines at all. But all my brothers and me took after him and my dad's sisters. It upsets some people at first, but then they always get to know me as the person deeper than my skin. I had also read that we are descended from israelites, which probably everyone here did as well since we came from Noah. I had always thought Siouxsie Sioux (born Susan Janet Ballion) of the punk band Siouxsie and the Banshees was Irish but, according to her Wikipedia bio, she is Belgian Walloon and English. I was once thought to be east indian when tanned, by a black man! As a child I looked Indian in the summer. brother Michael goes to four and five wakes a week. It has been proven that the Irish are genetically different from all other ethnic groups in western Europe, but the Irish people are genetically traced to the Basque people of southern France and northeastern Spain. He casts himself in the role of And you see The black Irish were the workers, since most Irish are white, so they needed a way to separate the nobles from the poor. Joffre Meyer from Tyler, TX on February 27, 2020: Thank you, Life and Luxury of South Beach, Florida! My grandmother said she was proud of her family and prouder to be called black Irish. In 1963 William Shannon wrote in "The American Irish" of novelist I have the blue eyes, the dark hair and the pale skin. my dad's brother has dark skin and hazel eyes and dark hair. 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