Likewise, talking about "the sins of racism" or spousal abuse . Many ritual abuse victims testified to the Royal Commission but the Commission insisted on hearing their testimony in camera and refused to publish their testimonies even when the victims WANTED their testimonies published. Losing that connection puts them at risk of isolation, which is bad for mental health. = New Calvinism they dont get any more self-confident and self-important than the elite in this bunch! *God is not a bully; neither are Gods people. Instead, BCS conducted an internal investigation, spearheaded by an administrator who reportedly had buried earlier concerns. The whole movement is about corrupt leaders controlling others. No. The idea of LAbri was discourse about faith. But they took it a step further. an evening of prayer, worship, and coming together. . One man rule. Which is why in a nutshell I wouldnt consider anything other than a Lutheran or a Roman Catholic Parrish. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Its not just (mostly) hydrogen gas, but a LOT of gas, that due to gravity, is being crushed. A proud look [the attitude that makes one overestimate oneself and discount others], a lying tongue, From one of the *counselors:*, More recently it seems like your main focus is on all of [your husbands] offenses against you, all of the ways he isnt trying hard enough, or he should know better,, Recently as Ive read your emails it has seemed like you are resisting any suggestions that you have work to do., No Christian can say that there isnt change to be done in their lives, even when there has been abuse, it simply isnt possible.. Some of the recommendations are being put into effect, but the thing gets watered down and killed by process. In an email to Pickeringand three other BBC elders, Tabb stated that the investigationdid not find sufficient evidence to corroborate the charge that Naselli has been spiritually abusive . The elders then took up Pickerings grievance against Naselli, charging that Naselli had a pattern of controlling and egregious sin against GOD and PEOPLE, based largely on the testimonies of 12 former and current BCS students.. I really like the astronomical antidote photos that sometimes accompany these disheartening stories. It was founded in 1871. Where were they when women were bullied in this so-called church*? Are we just a bunch of cowardly sheep who are afraid to disagree with those who are supposed to be leading us. bendeni: Were going to keep this in-house without public transparency. Some . i did no such thing! The whole movement is about corrupt leaders controlling others. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Lanztersaid Naselli responded that Lantzer shouldnt go there, and if he did, Naselli would destroy him. The BBC members who submitted grievances against Naselli have shared their first-hand accounts with The Roys Report, as well as recordings of meetings and emails between the parties involved. That might be helpful. (well, thats just evangelicalism right there.). So, the short answer to your question is no, not unless Supermans suit can protect you from the estimated 4,500 gigapascals of pressure at the center, along with the 35,500F degrees, and, oh lets not forget, the insane radioactive belts circling the planet. Check background, work history and public records. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. And I have been marginalised, maligned and shunned for doing so. CULT!, abusive groups with Correct Theology but Cult behavior not only passed right under their radar, but used their Clean Bill of Not-a-CULT as an additional weapon against their people. Theres a very well done article in Christianity Today published 8/20/21, which gives a much more fair and complete picture of everything thats happened at the church than the coverage which has been posted at this blog. If that happened in somebodys first semester they might transfer, but if they had already invested a lot in their education they would likely go ahead and finish where they were. Ava Aaronson: When the King left the dynasty, the promoted underling princes turned on each other. A time to plant and a time to harvest etc.. I appreciate the willingness to dialogue and not cancel discourse. There are no sharing times where folks can just talk it out its all dictatorial management of pulpit over pew there is no participatory involvement in matters like this no Q&A unless it can be a carefully controlled dialogue. Has someone already commented on this: John Piper holds the belief that a woman (or man) who is abused by their spouse may seek shelter away from the violence but may not remarry under any circumstances while the abusive spouse is still alive. I thought there was a video out there where Piper is participating in an installation service for divorced son Barnabas as he comes on to assist Ray Ortlund at his megachurch in Nashville. If youre on Facebook, please Friend me. Wild Honey: Whats a lay-member to do when its the PASTOR succumbing to the evils of social media? Bethlehems response to the killing and subsequent protests focused on providing groceries to residents to make up for the absence of grocery stores that either closed or were destroyed. At that point, Naselli demanded to talk with Lantzer about issues Lantzer had with him in front of the class, both Kleven and Lantzer said. This is basic. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. I saw friends and future pastors become acquainted with New Calvinism and be indoctrinated in seminary. Nobody ever has something nice to say or think about a bullyhow many folks speak fondly of Jonestown & Jim Jones ? Suspicion turns minor imperfections (which every pastor has!) Theres Greek Orthodox, like where NBA MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo is active as a Christian. Yes indeed, Sister! Or a Star Trek-based card game from many years ago: Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected. Abigail Dodds? Given that Jason Meyer co-chaired the Racial Harmony Task Force, and then the elders have now sat on the resulting report for over a year I cant imagine that didnt play a significant part in Jasons resignation (and probably Ming-Jinn Tongs). It seems as if there must be more to this. i mean, at the moment Bethlehem Baptist community only has 2 options: the elders (who dont ring the untrustworthy bell) and the hearsay/jaundiced other (said a leader with presumably much to lose). But elders like Stokes and Steddom, who had been so vocal about holding Naselli accountable just days earlier, remained silent, Pickering said. The Asbury Revival Is Over. Here is where it gets interesting. If this teaching or movement is merely human it will collapse of its own accord (Acts 5:38). Didnt hurt that the Christianese Cult-Sniffers had the exact same Theology (Six-day YEC, Rapture Ready Eschatology, Altar Call/Sinners Prayer Salvation, and SCRIPTURE SCRIPTURE SCRIPTURE) as the Not-a-Cults. Just my perspective. Lantzer was in a cohort at BCS, which had Naselli as a professor. Oh yeah, no practicing what they preach when the tables are turned. Last time I checked. Members were supposed to submit to him and now he, along with others, are telling us that maybe we need to rethink our submission. (Love of self? Sheesh! all the while totally missing the boat that perhaps he, like many other christians, have redefined love and charitable to mean what anyone outside his peculiar christian bubble would describe as arrogant jerk. I found out later that my oldest daughter reached out to Jason Meyer during this time, and he told her he couldnt help. Deception in the church is a powerful tool. The Roys Report also reached out to Naselli, but he did not respond. Apparently gangs dont need a ghetto, unless church can be termed a ghetto. Its bad, really bad but why in the world did these men leave? A time to be born and a time to die. But more and more of the speakers were New Calvinist (which is fairly far from Northpoints beliefs). A list of people awarded honorary degrees from DeSales University, Moravian College, Lafayette College, Muhlenberg College and Cedar Crest College. Stand fast therefore in your liberty, wherefore Christ has set us free is from 2K+ yrs ago but we need to remind ourselves today. https://missdaisyflower.wordpress.com/2016/04/21/a-response-to-the-complementarian-the-beauty-of-womanhood-essay-by-abagail-dodds/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ortberg, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_C._Ortlund_Jr, https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/, https://mobile.twitter.com/johnpiper/status/873970685588246528?lang=en, https://www.termsofservice.social/p/pastors-what-happened-to-david-platt, https://www.christianitytoday.com/edstetzer/2014/april/catalyst-that-fostered-movement.html, https://cryingoutforjustice.blog/2015/05/18/the-good-points-of-is-it-my-fault-by-justin-lindsey-holcomb-book-review-pt-1/, http://thewartburgwatch.com/2021/06/28/part-2-why-i-changed-the-title-of-my-former-post-to-i-still-believe-in-g-r-a-c-e/, http://www2.mnhs.org/library/findaids/00667.xml. I think the members who are coming to the meetings are being told a little more, but I think its unlikely that the elders will publish anything for the general public. This crowds *pastoral authority* has run amock for far too long. Lack of information leads to attitude charges without unclear actual details. He divorced me after I escaped with our son and refused to divorced him. said someone in leadership from North Campus, Bethlehem Baptist Church. Kyle James Howard was invited as a consultant & then ignored. And in addition to reports in Christian media, the Star Tribunethe largest newspaper in Minnesotaran a story on Sunday about the pastors departure and accusations of a toxic church culture.. Aside from the David Platt angle I wish someone would address the topic of misinformation from the standpoint of a congregant. Max might be able to better expand on TLC, but I can tell you a lot about Passion Conferences. I definitely think thats true in churches where New Calvinism has taken over. The others are former care and counselling pastor Bryan Pickering; youth and family discipleship director Richie Stark; and Ming-Jinn Tong, who oversaw neighbourhood outreach. It has a reputation of having a New Calvinist flavor, but I think is similar in practice to the Summit where they keep it mostly under wraps until you start pursuing leadership. Separation of family members. Independent elder-led churches, in which there is no possibility of recourse or appeal to higher authority, are IMO risky places in which to place ones trust. So we are asking everyone to pray.. I would be concerned if Benjamin Lantzer is a pastor with the views listed in the article and my concerns listed below. ishy: A lot of cults have those similarities. It satisfies deeply to build into the future that will long. 720 13th Avenue South, Minneapolis, Minnesota, 55415 But when Lantzer began presenting his paper on the call, Naselliconfronted Lantzer for his view and asked Lantzer why hehadadopted it. Its interesting. The Pied Piper cast a spell over so many young potential church leaders in my area, drawing them into a snare they are still in. As I see it it leads to fundamentalism, hegemonism and antihumanism. My website, like yours, is a link on my name here as I respond. . Yet as reported previously, Pickering says Tong called the March 16 meeting unethical. And in Pastor Meyers July letter of resignation, Meyer wrote: I continue to maintain that accusations should not be immediately embraced or dismissed. Elders Who Joyfully Govern God's Flock instructor guide Bethlehem College and Seminary Press 720 13th Avenue South Minneapolis, MN 55415 612.455.3420 | 612.338.6901 (fax) bcspress@bcsmn.edu | bcspress.org Copyright 2016 by Bethlehem College & Seminary Press All rights reserved. Curious. Make sure you take out the gizzard stones first. He admitted their constitution trumps everything else. No One Knows. Facebook gives people the power. But unlike me, you can reach out to him and hear it. I have also seen leadership act in ways I would describe as domineering. Abigail Dodds? He also had been accused by several BBC members of disparaging and sinning against them and others in the congregation. Of course, it was in one of the most affluent areas of Atlanta (Buckhead). Don Jones, ive just recently learned Jupiter is made of gas (im late to the astronomy party). . In a matter of months, four pastors resigned from Bethlehem Baptist Church, a flagship church in Minneapolis. They are playing God with the lives of others. ishy: Bullies werent so much different from before, but now they had a way to rule over others and feel approved. Buthe said the allegations involved students in multiple classes over several years. And the situation in Hell in the Spiritual Horror Role-playing Game Rapture: The Second Coming (original QMG first edition or D20 second edition, take your pick). Blurb The Klingon Emperor is dying. Max: Some of the young folks I know turned out to be pastors in the movement pursuing their new-found faith with a passion, but a misplaced passion of aberrant belief and practice. . He also alleged that the elders actions showed they were more interested in protecting BBCs image than protecting its flock. Prayer and worship are important, but the season right now is to tell the good folks at BBC what the heck is going on so they can determine if they want to pray and worship at BBC any longer. The Roys Report has also learned that Pastor for Care and Counseling Bryan Pickering, who also recently resigned, called for the resignation of a fellow elder, Andy Naselli, who's a professor at Bethlehem College and Seminary. . But no grounds for divorce., We dont believe we can grant her request to be removed from membership but we feel we must ex-communicate., Pray that the Lord would persuade Natalie to reconcile and change Natalies mind., Natalie accused ____ of being abusive and truly feels she has been abused. What a shame. And one who spreads discord (rumors) among brothers. We both do TWW, however. Piperettes may have some soul-searching to do. Yet the image of BBCa church known internationally because of John Pipers three decades of service thereis experiencing perhaps its worst public relations crisis since its inception. SOmeone I know described gas giant planets as gargantuan farts floating in space. Bryan Pickering. Headless Unicorn Guy: When Satan leaves Hell to incarnate as The Antichrist, every demon prince in Hell goes at each others throats over the vacant Horned Throne. Unquestioning deference to leadership. Samuel Conner: Independent elder-led churches, in which there is no possibility of recourse or appeal to higher authority, are IMO risky places in which to place ones trust. In fact, this announcement only told part of the story. I am writing this without quoting others because this is something I have written about for years. Lantzer said Naselli had approved the topic of his paper. Dee, I knew your writing was valuable and I was hooked on this story when I read these words: We get it. Third, a reason for this view is based on how he saw women treated. . ishy: ordinary kind people I had known for years suddenly became Piper-quoting robots couldnt hold normal conversations with them anymore .. could not think for themselves anymore. . 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