Also, the small sources dont have skin in the book and lecture circuit game. Be a Christian Who Cares Genesis 24 King James Version (KJV) Bushnell Assembly of God If you carefully examine Beths and Priscillas events over the last several years, youll see that they headline plenty of events that are wide open to both men and women. Im sorry, Im a little unclear. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-pastored by a woman), Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018, Special Guest Priscilla Shirer (October 11, 2015) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at The Refuge Church (co-pastored by a woman), What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast (October 4, 2020) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon for Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? CARM has done articles on Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and some other well-known false teachers, which Ive linked to in other articles. As you can see, she has warm words of praise and admiration for Serita Jakes (T.D.s wife). 3 Tests Of Plagiarism: Do Your Sermons Pass Them. Another important point on this subject: Can you think of a Scripture that says pastors can give people permission, guidance, or authority to sin by disobeying Gods word? As a Christian when we face difficulty God provides the means for us to be encouraged, but we are not just to languish in that resting place. I would love for you to hang out with us here at the blog and/or on social media (links at the top of this page). If you could give me some rightly handled, in context, chapter and verse Scripture to back up your opinions and beliefs, we could talk about it. If it were, Paul, Jude, Peter, and even Jesus would be guilty of that sin. (I dont think she was building doctrine in this promotional video, but I could be wrong.). After all, Scripture teaches that Scripture is sufficient. and also I feel you need to reach out to her for yourself. You must be afraid of some things, or else you will be in trouble. How does God regard false teachers, and how are we to deal with them in our personal lives and families, and as the church? 2 Timothy 4:5 Verse Concepts Genesis 24:1-4. read more, Scripture: I run into you everywhere man YouTube, Twitter, and now here lol. That's a possibility, but a better plan is that Scripture is Holy Spirit inspired. Also, if you will read the article hyperlinked at the very top of this article, right underneath the title, where it says, If youre considering commenting it will answer your objections- with Scripture. If you believe women shouldnt work, this includes you. Amber, you seem like a very dear sister, and I love you. Elizabeth. Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. Go beyond our fears. Yes, there are many more examples of Priscillas poor handling of Scripture in the Additional Resources section. 7,400,364 journeys have been made to this site. Lots of information about those online and at http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com and Berean Research. Pray With Us Jan 12, 2023 Hi Friends! But books and blogs written for women are not what 1 Timothy 2:12 refers to, and its not the same as willingly allowing men to attend (which is something Beth and Priscilla both do) an event where a woman, in an authoritative position, is teaching Gods word to believers, or accepting speaking engagements that are open to men. - Femina Sola Gratia Is she a false teacher? This is how people learn and grow in their faith. With all that said, I do not say any of this out of ill intent, anger, or anything along those lines, I simply wanted to clarify, and say, that I agree with Michelles exegesis of (Matthew. Ive heard her recommend Christian women to go to a quiet place to pray. Some would call that circular reasoning. MATTHEW 14:16 (Also, lets please try to keep things friendly and polite, OK?). Wow, I found Ms. Shirers book Fervent very helpful and uplifting. She has no control over who reads her blogs. If a pastor (or husband- Beth has also said she is acting under her husbands mantle of authority) tries to give her that authority, he is putting himself in the place of God who has prohibited it and he is sinning, too. Are you into apologetics or something? How I wish I could ask him what he thinks of his heathen saving methods now that he has seen the face of Jesus!). There are I felt the Lord provided it at the very time I needed it. And how their lives could be changed, too. Morning Service No, Im afraid theres no such thing as a false teacher being an entryway into the faith any more than a bowl of cyanide can be a good appetizer before a healthy dinner. WHAT'S THAT SMELL?: People just spiritually delivered by God usually dont smell good. The true bride will always go beyond the minimal requirements. Romans 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. Going by her recent appearances, she no longer seems to have any reservations about violating the Scriptures that prohibit her from teaching and preaching to men. God has not instructed women to preach to or instruct men. Moving Beyond the Motions I am asking the following question to understand your doctrinal views. 1:37-When these believerswho had experienced different things about God became part of my life, my eyes were opened to see God in a brand new way. I think the best reward for the reader is to take all those views as complementary and related being parts of the same whole system of interpretation. Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? Our new series is designed and I believe inspired by the Holy Spirit to show how Christianity is not just about going to church on Sunday morning. Sermon by Rick Crandall Just put the books aside and pick up His word and study it for yourself. Ive subscribed to both for several years, so I can tell you thats not the kind of writing they do (though Challies did feature and link to Aimee Byrds review of Fervent in his 12/21/15 A La Carte segment). People who are genuinely born again have a hunger and thirst for studying the truth of Gods word and growing in Christ. Iam finding that more and moreChristians have to be told this. The reason I refer people in on line conversations to my articles is so I dont have to regurgitate what Ive already written. Warning people away from false teaching is not gossip. (And if you need any help getting started, Ive got some resources that will help you under the Bible Studies tab at the top of this page.) Then please feel free to ask Id be glad to help you or look it up. Our faith is rock solid if we have placed it in Godthe unchanging, perfect, eternal, sovereign One. Scripture: Philippians 3:12-16 John Huffman Introduction I don't know if you are like me, but I imagine you are. There are two sources for fear: when we are caught up in something we did not count on, and when we are not in control. These women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. Thank you MIchelle Lesley. Again, when the Bible says not to do something, and a person does it anyway, this is sin. No, Im not violating Scripture by teaching men when they read or comment on my blog. A sermon examining the fact that we should ever be amazed by Jesus. Bible Verses about 'Beyond'. Priscilla Shirer on Hearing the Voice of God on Issues, Etc. Also, if you had read the paragraph at the very top of this article and clicked on please click here and read this article first, your initial question in this comment (about sin) would have been answered. 2. I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, Unfortunately, Word Press doesnt show me that kind of thing until after Ive published my own comment. Id recommend starting with Rock Your Role FAQs #11, then moving on to Jill in the Pulpit. If youre not familiar with the false teachers cited below, click the Popular False Teachers and Unbiblical Trends tab in the blue menu bar at the top of this page. My article, Jill in the Pulpit examines 1 Timothy 2:11-12 (the clearest and most concise passage addressing this topic) in context and explains it (in what I hope is a clear and understandable way- if not, please feel free to let me know if you have any questions). Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother." Romans 15:1 Verse Concepts Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. I. The purpose is that none of you will be arrogant, favoring one person over another. One example that best showcases Priscillas penchant for eisegesis and poor hermeneutics can be found in this promotional video for her study,One in a Million: 0:46-This same God was supposed to be speaking to me, teaching to me, making Himself relevant to mein the regular rhythms of my everyday living. As for the topic of this post neither of us have heard of her, but thanks for the heads up and good article as always. I dont want to lead us astray ). GOING BEYOND THE DUTY CALL AND WHAT IS EXPECTED! When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. I have to do more research on how these powerhouse preachers are false teachers), teaching unbiblical prayer practices (I cant find where she teaches women about contemplative prayer~ but Im still lookin! Not from Scripture. read more, Scripture: My bible teaches those roles but thank you. I've done this so that you can learn what it means not to go beyond what has been written and so none of you will become arrogant by supporting one of us against the other. Yes, Kenneth Hagin was one of the worst false teachers out there. The salvation of unreached people throughout history. She does. I dont really care about pursuing holiness and growing in Christ. If thats not what youre saying, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but if it is, Im concerned for your eternity. Priscilla teaches something different. You are spot on. You know, your making this comment right now is very interesting timing. Read 2 CHRONICLES 34:1-33 [1] Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. I wont be publishing comments or answering emails that are answered by this article. Going Beyond Ministries is focused on the expository teaching of the Word of God. Thank you so much for your consideration, AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. And the only way to do that is to not only study/read the Word of God in its *entirety* but believe and apply it. I had to look these babies up in the dictionary!) If our feelings, opinions, or experiences contradict Gods word, then those feelings, experiences, and opinions are wrong and we need to repent and believe Gods word instead. Pastors dont read LifeWay studies or pay attention to the false teaching crowd, for the most part. Run as far away from both of them as possible. All comments are handled manually, and I do not publish comments which promote false doctrine. Amen. Mark 10:46-53 Please see the links to our EXTRA Bible Study notes at the bottom of the page. None. Why didnt you just study your Bible instead? Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. Ive read her own account explaining this. But I dont recall her suggesting that Christians meditate or pursue contemplative prayer. Our desire is not only for all to understand His written Word but for all to experience His Power! You are teaching me and I didnt even realize it! Scripture doesnt specify that only preaching from a pulpit on Sunday morning as a pastor would or leading a church qualifies as preaching to or teaching men, but, yes, they have both done the former and neither has indicated repentance over it or any plans to stop doing so. Do you send women to your articles as a response?. Luke 9:1-10:20, Denomination: Im not sure if youre referring to Beths inclusion of Catholicism, or both Beths and Priscillas joining with people who subscribe to Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) false doctrine. A large chunk of the New Testament (Matthew 7:15-23, 2 Peter 2, 2 Timothy 3:1-7, the book of Jude, and many other passages) is devoted to warning people against false teaching. Heres an example of Priscilla preaching to men and yoking with a false teacher as she preaches the Sunday sermon at Joel Osteens Lakewood Church: Priscilla teaches Christians to listen for Gods voice in an unbiblical form of prayer called contemplative prayer. Like you, I also dont understand why believers behave the way they do- taking to task those who stand firmly upon the truth of Gods word instead of rebuking and rejecting false teachers such as Priscilla Shirer, when this is so clearly what Scripture says to do. Evangelical/Non-Denominational. This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. If you are considering commenting or sending me an e-mail objecting to the fact that I warn against false teachers, please click here and read this article first. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. Opening Prayer. But we hope that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you will greatly increase as well, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. Verse Concepts. What Ive given you here are not my personal views. My personal views dont matter, and neither do yours. Good News Translation For your sake, my friends, I have applied all this to Apollos and me, using the two of us as an example, so that you may learn what the saying means, "Observe the proper rules." Michelle Thank you for your work in the area of discernment. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. Mark 8:25 Verse Concepts Thats not an accusation, its a statement of fact. Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. We do not build doctrine or what we believe about God on peoples subjective experiences. Romans 4:18. Also your references in Matthew do not apply, and sadly this out of context mess gets regurgitated as much, if not more so, as Matthew 7, and the whole Do not ever judge crowd. In today's edition of The Mailbag: Is it OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? Pink Impact ConferencePriscilla joined with faith healing apostle of the New Apostolic Reformation, Todd White, as well as false teachers Christine Caine, Lisa Harper, and Pastor Debbie Morris. I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. Steven Furtick is the pastor of Lysa TerKeurst, and he is on Oprahs Super Soul 100 list. As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. To think one can just enter there work into the public domain without criticism, is simply ludicrous! There's more to my answer than you might think. Copyright 2003-2023 | Outreach, Inc., All rights reserved. One of them went up to him and told him. They both willingly, and without reservation, preach to co-ed groups all the time. Real hope is only found in the true Christ of Scripture, and thats not what Beth and Priscilla teach. 2 JOHN Certainly. read more, Scripture: Some of the points you bring up give me pause. As Christians, we are to follow and obey Gods written word, the Bible, not our own opinions. John 14:1-4, Luke 10:18-20, 1 Corinthians 15:19. Your sermon reminded me about Peace of God and Love Reblogged this on Eternally Secured and commented: I shared this post on Facebook the same day my new pastor friend requested me. Jonah 2:10. Is there some connection between this article on Priscilla Shirer and Israel that Im missing? Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? We cannot live without fear. In closing out this conversation, I would strongly encourage you to continue practicing what youve said- just study your Bible in a systematic way, using good hermeneutics, and stay away from false teachers like Priscilla Shirer. If you dont trust the evidence Ive presented here, I encourage you to do your own research. You should bring these points about Shirer up to your pastor if her studies are being pushed in your church. The Bible says dont do X, Beth Moore does X. Thats breaking Gods command, which is sin. What is certain is that Paul, in saying, "do not go beyond what is written," was not teaching sola scriptura. I do not endorse any of these sites in so far as any of them might deviate from Scripture or conflict with my beliefs as outlined in the Welcome or Statement of Faith tabs at the top of this page. Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: #2- There are a number of resources on false teachers under the Popular False Teachers tab at the top of this page. I dont want my readers to believe something just on my (or anyone elses) say so. Could you point to me where Priscilla suggests that we empty our mind? Id like to ask, was Kenneth Hagin also a false preacher, because he dealt extensively with this issue of women preaching in his book, and made several clarifications in his book The Women Question. If so, then she is well aware of what the Bible says about these issues. But read her He Speaks to Me Bible study for yourself if you want to assess. Verse 13. I havent done One in a Million yet) this is supposition on your part. Olga Souders As I mentioned in my comment, I was here with my wife, completely of my own volition, in no way did Michelle do anything unbiblical. 1 Corinthians 4:6 says: It is teachers like Priscilla who want us to base our beliefs on our feelings and experiences, and that is not biblical. I do not think the bible says anything about women speaking in public as long as their not pastors, and she is not talking to men she is talking to ladies. This is not a new idea. I am gonna pray for you. Next, as I hope you would agree, Scripture is our final authority as Christians. Pastor Chris Rosebrough explains why Priscillas twisting of John 10 to mean that we can hear God speak to us is unbiblical. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. 1 But, yes, sometimes I do offer to send someone Im talking to (face to face) links to my articles, other peoples articles, books, sermons, etc., if theyd like to study an issue more. I am more of an egalitarian, but Shirer rubs me the wrong way too. I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Mark 7:31-37 Exegesis is taking a passage of Scripture in context, and leading out of it- teaching what the passage means. and Serita Jakes (see below). Id encourage you not to take my word for it, but to examine the evidence against Scripture (in context, of course) for yourself. How is this different? I am a born again Christian. Then why did you ask me any questions? Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip.. ), partnering with false teachers (thank you for noting this! Astonished Beyond Measure 2 John 1:1-11. Because you seem to be arguing against the biblical truth youve already read and have rejected reading any of the further biblical teaching Ive referred you to. Here are my 2.1. This was very interesting thanks for putting this out there. And besides all these big names, arent just claiming to over see a church, they are writing New York best sellers, etc. BEYOND ENCOURAGEMENT Before we move on to Priscilla, I just want to reiterate that preaching to men is not the only way Beth is unrepentantly breaking Scripture (although that is certainly enough to disqualify her as a teacher). Hi Lisa- I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help answer your questions and give you a biblical understanding of womens roles in the church. Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. Matthew 14:15-16. to me she lacks conviction of the word I dont hear it; she reminds me of Joel Osteen and thats not a compliment. 3. Should she repent in these areas in which she has broken Scripture and align herself with biblical principles, she would have no bigger fan than I, and I would rejoice to be able to point Christian women to her as a doctrinally sound resource. *It's always a good idea to look back over life and think about the people who have made a difference: People who helped us in a time of need. As a sister in Christ, I believe we should be happy for their success and teaching us the Word of God. Yes it is the little people or the less known that are standing against these deceptions and I am so glad that you are and there are many more. Tools. Before I address some of your specific concerns, two things: First, thank you for the kind and civil tone of your comment. I dont know half of your theological terminology, but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. ), The Treasure You Already Are | Priscilla Shirer | [at Joyce Meyers] Love Life Womens Conference 2013, Priscilla Shirer Talks Women and the Church, Moving From the Pew to the Pavement and Why Christine Caine Is at the Top of Her List at the Christian Post, Priscilla Shirer recommends Joyce Meyer, Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, etc., Bible studies on her blog at Going Beyond, Priscilla Shirer speaks at Joyce Meyers womens conference alongside false teachers Joyce Meyer, Lisa Harper, and Sarah Jakes Roberts (T.D. Though there are others, these are the major doctrinal errors in this video, which is less than four minutes of teaching from Priscilla. Deuteronomy 6:4 ESV / 4 helpful votes Not Helpful "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Hummm. Priscilla Shirer is a wife and mom of three boys hailing from the Dallas area. Lord, thank You that You are the Good Shepherd and You speak and we hear Your voice. 7 Steps to Figuring it Out on Your Own, It Should Happen Rarely, But It Shouldnt Be Ignored | The Outspoken TULIP, Is Priscilla Shirer false teacher? Thats a rare find these days. Even if shes twisted. It does NOT say, and be baptist. Ive fixed it (as well as a few others that have expired). But believers are to grow to maturity in their relationship with Christ and their knowlege of His word. Evangelical Dark Web. However, a teenager pointed out to me that Abraham was called . Is highly recomended, presenting four distinctive views about going "beyond the Bible", in ethics and moral issues, each one written by serious scholar. God speaks to us and teaches us through the careful study and preaching of His word, not through subjective voices, feelings, and experiences in the rhythms of everyday living (what, precisely, does that phrase even mean?) read more, Scripture: With regard to books, Bible studies, even blogs like mine, I completely agree with you! How can we be Christians who care? Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - THAT'S WHEN MIRACLES HAPPEN! if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, It is about sin in the local congregation where you actually know the person personally and have access to him/her. If not, she does not know the Bible well enough to be teaching (James 3:1). Together with her husband, Jerry, she heads up Going Beyond Ministries. Bible Study Workbooks Priscilla's studies help believers to know the truths of Scripture intellectually and encourage them to experience these truths practically by the power of the Holy Spirit. Well since thats the case, why dont you study and agree with what the Bible says? And to top that all off, shes beautiful and sharp as a tack. You decide. Thank you again. Choose What Is Right: A Study in Discernment ~ Lesson 1- Introduction, Going Beyond Scripture: Why It's Time to Say Good-Bye to Priscilla Shirer and Going Beyond Ministries, The Mailbag: Celebrity Christian Hot Takes (Driscoll, Graham, Groeschel, Lewis, Lucado, Piper, Vallotton), Leaving Lysa: Why You Shouldn't Be Following Lysa TerKeurst or Proverbs 31 Ministries, Doctrinally Sound Christian Men to Follow - 1, Bible Gateway- Fantastic concordance and other Bible tools, CARM- Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry, Christian Answers for the New Age (Marcia Montenegro). 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