We too raised $$ for pagan babies. I remember a little plastic Jesus and pencil cases . Something good came from Corpus Cristi. Bonus question: Did children in Europe collect coins for the pagan babies? The salesman had no answer . I dont remember collecting money for them. Cary Cox stole a five dollar bill from his mothers purse when we were in fourth grade so that Cary could pick the name of the next pagan baby himself . The nuns tried to keep us on the Catholic path, but they had a lot of competition with of the civil rights movements of the time. I thoroughly enjoy your posts. The rice they used was really good which I think defeated the purpose since a lot of kids looked forward to it, myself included. But in 1969 the names we fourth graders favored were names like Ringo and Twiggy. - Betty L. He said the priest paused and said, Uh, son, you need to talk to your nun about that in catechism class. Theres the priority. I think most of them were in Africa and India. Bog bodies, secret passages, and amazing tombstones are all possibilities as well as the latest archaeological discovery. We'd all suggest names, and then vote for the one we liked best. SubscribeStart your Register subscription today. You are no doubt a stronger person for it . Drawing its title from Hinckle's parochial education in San Francisco's Sunset District, "Ransoming Pagan Babies: The Selected Writings of Warren Hinckle" released by Berkeley nonprofit. I have my doubts that any of ours got past downtown L.A. MISSION CALLArchbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, apostolic nuncio to the United States, right, was among the notable guests at the first World Mission Dinner. So how many pagan babies did you sell in Brentwood ? I guess this went on everywhere. David. Margaret Ann is a good respectable name . . and Holy Hacks: Everyday Ways to Live Your Faith & Get to Heaven. I ALSOvividly remember, that the certficates were five dollars each (pretty steep for thr 60s! In return they were given a decorative certificate commemorating their I feel the same way as you do. Renew or manage your subscription here. I dont think he really believed me. Thanks for the comment. I have her a link to your site. Glad to have confirmed this for you , John . collections to save unbaptized children not taught about God (Pagan Babies). I dont remember the certificates , but , yeah , they came from on-high somewhere in the Archdiocese ( we believed , at least ) . Pingback: A Poor Church For the Poor | Vox Nova, Pingback: Remembering a Different A-to-Z Challenge | No Facilities, This was too much fun. She went to Catholic school too, and I dont know if they had pagan babies then, but I bet they did. I still suspect the money collected ( probably in actuality just chicken-feed ? ) Charlie had a question for the missionary nuns , too . Im still not so sure . The principal stepped forward , to the rescue , saying coldly , Its a fundraiser for the school . He didnt mention his new stereo system . Pagan Babies is a 2000 crime novel written by Elmore Leonard.He first used Pagan Babies as the name of a rock band in his 1981 novel Split Images.. Hearts of Gold, A Gilded Age Historical Romance Series. Herman . Fierce competition existed between some of the nuns as to whose class had the most pagan babies. I dont remember . Always when he asked his question , no matter what the occasion , he seemed to be right smack dab in the middle of the group . Catholic mom and grandparents here. I remember the little cardboard boxes and wanting to saving the poor pagan babies. Pagan Babies: and Other Catholic Memories. sacraments. I dont think that the money went sideways. Pontifical Mission Societies and launched by Pope Francis. Youre welcome . None of my non-Catholic friends ever believed my pagan baby stories, either. Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, apostolic nuncio to the United States who greeted guests on behalf of Pope Benedict XVI, called the Pontifical Mission Societies instruments for cooperation in the universal mission of the church across the world.. And then I asked some of my school friends on Facebook if they remembered and none did. These babies needed to be baptized, and so they needed missionaries, and the missionaries needed money. And yet the fundamental mission of the Holy Childhood Associationits efforts to create in children of privilege some sense that they are responsible for and obligated to help other children in needwas not lost on me. Thanks for the interest. Seriously has anyone ever ran into a pagan baby named Herman or Mary or any other name?? Anyone else do this? Its a great way to perform works of mercy or give alms during Lent or find a family charity. Seems like the boxes looked like animal crackers boxes . kids were allowed to give their baby a Christian name. I could change the world. Im assuming youre a good Catholic father and have a tons of kids. Ah , maybe it taught us some basic values , anyway ( or maybe it screwed us up so badly that we dont even realize how much ) . Yet, I wonder, if I had not saved those pagan babies, would I have had the confidence and motivation to go to Mexico? Every month after the money was collected, a students name was "randomly"picked out of a bag with the chosen name becoming the "Pagan Baby of the Month.". And the fact that you great people, so distinguished, so esteemed, would be here this evening to rally around this sacred responsibility of missions, what a source of inspiration and joy., No comments on this item Other prizes were plastic pencil cases with a ruler that formed the lid ; it slid out . My allowance was 25 cents a week . It is Catholic mission crowd-funding,making it easy to support those givingspiritual and material comfort to the sufferingand marginalized . I mentioned pagan babies and Im still not sure if they believed me. The teacher had a stack of them . The principal was standing nearby wondering if he should intervene . I attended St. Judes Grade School in Detroit, Michigan (1958 to 1966) and as I recall Pagan Babies were a big thing. Elementary Yes , of course , a money-raising strategy that tricked all of us kids I wonder now about our parents . It was called Adopt-A-Pagan-Baby. We collected money (I think) for UNICEF but we didnt get to name anyone. Designed by Elegant Themes | Powered by WordPress. Christians have always believed that baptism The beanies covered our heads during morning Mass. Except in the case of fourth grade, 1964, just after the Beatles hit America on Sullivan. The certificates were white, thick,wrinkly paper with burnt orange and brown late 60s modern catholic designs. Pagan babies. There were milk cartons to hold the money. At every Catholic school in those days were collections to save unbaptized children not taught about God (Pagan Babies). Plot summary. You never know what I might post about next! The bookstore is receiving pro bono legal services from ADF for the lawsuit. Servant of God Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen, who once said, My greatest love has always been the missions of the Church, was very much a spiritual presence at the dinner, where his name was invoked several times. Read an Excerpt. Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ, are incorporated into the Church and made sharers in her mission ( CCC 1213), Scripture stresses the importance of this sacrament. Sign-up for E-NewsletterGet Register Updates sent daily or weeklyto your inbox. Im sure we had to change it to Richard, but in our hearts he was our little Ringo. The mission has a church,' Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan of New York reminded his guests in opening remarks. In Common Good Constitutionalism, Adrian Vermeule argues with straw men and cites blog posts. Thanks for the comment . The missionary spirit was evident as Pontifical Mission Societies honored three people at the May 2 gala. We boys , I think , had a sense of accomplishment somehow because even though he had been caught Cary still had the satisfaction of knowing that a pagan would go through life named Herman because of him . Technically, Jews could not be pagan, because they believe in the same monotheistic god Catholics do/did. The problems were global, structural, and often ambiguous. collection boxes given to each child. Catholic Register, more than one-third of millennials now say they are unaffiliated Th. In the background it shows mosques, pagodas, etc, all the better to drive home the horrors wed saved him from. If you want, you can contact the director of music programming at Hawaiian Public Radio, and ask him if hes still using it, though. Scripture references baptism of entire households, never saying except the babies. (Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, 1 Cor. They were wondering how to react . Other Brookliners Remember Adopting But Cary was caught . - Ann C. - Vera Marie C. 2000 Elmore Leonard, Inc. (P)2000 Recorded Books Inc. Unabridged Audiobook. I also remember buying 10 cent stamps that went into a book. Father Terry Dunn thought he'd seen everything on the mean streets of Detroit, but that was before he went on a little retreat to Rwanda to evade a tax-fraud indictment. It wasnt a huge effort at our school, Christ the King in Pleasant Hill, CA, and im sure i sold very few as my parents were not very supportive of that kind of fundraising. Your class picked out a name for the child, and the Catholic church baptized the baby with that name into the Catholic faith. grade 6A, 6B, 6C,). I had the vocation, the novenas were working! Hilarious ! Who could choose the most ridiculous name ? Of course, we collected money in the little paper boxes " for the missions" and I seem to remember something about either the school or each class "adopting"one of the mission children. They were no doubt common . Im thinking, maybe, that I qualify as a pagen baby. Or for the poor, underprivileged kids in the USA? My family Lived out that way. "I also had a Pagan Baby; I regret to say I haven't kept in touch with him." If you register with MISSIO by noon February 2, 2017, youll be entered for a chance to join the Pontifical Mission Societies on their pilgrimage to Rome in May 2017, and an audience with Pope Francis. There was something he needed to know . Arlington Catholic Herald200 N. Glebe Rd.Suite 615Arlington, VA 22203703-841-2590800-377-0511, Website Design and Development by New Target, Funeral and public viewing set for murdered Bishop David OConnell, Catholics, are you going to confession? I could never shake the idea that he was stealing it (but I guess that suggests more about my character than about his). But Father Small, national director of the Pontifical Mission Societies in the United States, wasnt apologizing for the old adoption program in which children in Catholic schools would save their pennies. It seemed like an almost daily ordeal for the class nun to individually quiz each student, asking if they had made a contribution on that particular day. For whatever reason, we googled pagan baby today.My husband and I thought we were the only two people who remembered pagan babies!!!! Saving Pagan Babies occurred during a simpler It sure wouldnt work on the savvy kids of today. This made my day. I still say none of that money ever got beyond the archdiocese downtown , certificate or no certificate . The campaign will celebrate the legacy of love and support the program offered, and recall the babies with whom American children once connected through the Holy Childhood Association. While clearly titillating and voyeuristic, these presentations revealed a larger world and highlighted our own privileged place. Ours always seemed to be colored brown . You :-)) The short-lived dream pop band formed by Kat Bjelland and Courtney Love in 1985 in Portland, Oregon, United States 2. I went to Marymount Jr. School in the 60s too. I still have the ransom certificate to prove it. ( to save the pagans ! Ransom a Pagan Baby (late 1950s). Yeah , small world . I told that I learned math through confessionit had been two weeks since my last confession, I was mean to my brothers every day, so that was fourteen times, I disobeyed my parents almost every day, so that was about ten times, etc., etc. I could fold bandages and scrub floors in the dispensario, change diapers and scrub floors in the orphanage, wash vestments and scrub floors in the churchyou can see the pattern. The teachers all smiled . 1961 66. we collected for pagan babies, but we never got to name them, and there was no box that folded out. Charlie Bloomquist , of course , had a question . Oh . The rise of AI will generate cultural content designed not to be original or even to say anything, but to produce, like a drug, the same experience, again and again. Small world. Aiden/ Aidan: Is of Celtic, which means "little fire." Alun: Alun means "harmony." Albus: This name means "white." When I was in grade school prior to ~1961 in Catholic school, we collected money (our little pittances of coins) for some vague, needy group covered by the catch-all term pagan babies.* Were collecting money for the pagan babies?* As I recall, there were little paper boxes that we saved our coins in and then turned them in to someone periodically. I remember collecting for Pagan Babies in my Catholic elementary school (I went to public high schoolwith the publics). Thanks for your input . Im a veteran of catholic school and I remember so well about the pagan stories and purgatory, limbo and so on. Anybody have some spare change ? 4. muddymoose 4 mo. - Ann C. Because we purchased Pagan Babies for five dollars a head, on a regular basis. Posted Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:53 am PT | Updated Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:40 pm PT. Of course, there was always the show-off who bought a whole pegginbebbie for themselves and got to name it without any of OUR help. We all knew what a pagan baby was a baby that was not baptized a Catholic, and not one in the US babies from Asia in particular. Save that document. The book may rally his followers, but it wont add to their number. The salesman had charts and pictures and a poster for every classroom of the glorious prizes . Shed be about 70 now! Pretty danged patronizing, offensive concept it was, too. Sometimes disabilities don't fall along "guidelines" and some people just need a little extra help. now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Pet. is the gateway to life in the Spirit, and the door which gives access to the other Their adopted Pagan Babies were then given the Sacrament of Baptism. Davey; time, before cynicism and political correctness found their stride. For a boy we were expected to choose a name like Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. I cant remember now if they ever answered Charlies question . So it had to be pretty official, like our nun just couldnt pull a certificate out of her drawer and fill in the name.no, I think that it had to be signed by the big Catholic mucky-mucks. Pagan babies may have disappeared from collection boxes but they started showing up in our families. Pagan Babies was a missionary effort by definition it took place in other countries where the Catholic Church was trying to make inroads. Imagine what they would cost now." Each classroom was given small cardboard collection boxes . We were never quite sure what a pagan was . ), and its name was even weirder - it was collect money to feed . "Wasn't there a bridge we had to get them over. Pagan ,pagan, pagan . The poor pagan was already named Herman , right ? Love Your Sister Kids', toddler, & baby clothes with Pennies For designs sold by independent artists. Some of those Jesuits spoke directly to God . Through their action the proclamation of the Gospel also becomes an intervention on behalf ones neighbor, justice for the poorest, possibility of education in the most remote villages, medical aid in isolated places, emancipation from poverty and rehabilitation for the marginalized, overcoming ethnic divisions and respect for life in all its stages, Archbishop Vigano said. But the pagan babies were actual children being looked after by missionary sisters, brothers and priests in their countries. The one boys name that sticks in my head is Zachary. Don't know why they are so eagerly upholding pagan traditions. Glad that I could kick up some dust . Renee- -tell the proofreader to correct the spelling of the coin nickel in the second sentence of your article on Pagen babies. I can still see the certificates posted above the blackboards. Christians have always believed that baptism is the gateway to life in the Spirit (vitae spiritualis ianua), and the door which gives access to the other sacraments. Hey! Youre an idiot that is exactly what happened at my grade-school as well. I won the [ now I really dont remember which of the above things I won ] but a classmate wanted to exchange her prize , the other thing , for mine . babies. Both ring a bell. Ask for their blessings so that your home will remain safe and happy, or if you do not follow a particular deity, you can alternately ask the . A set or two of golf clubs may have been in there . I Googled it because of my conviction that it was an acronym and I just couldnt quite figure out what the E stood for. Commonweal's latest, delivered twice weekly. Please email comments to [emailprotected] and join the conversation on our Facebook page. probably denoting how much money was collected. 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