300 Win Mag vs 338 Win Mag vs 338 Lapua Mag, 450 Bushmaster vs 458 SOCOM vs 50 Beowulf. then discontinued it again. It typically produced a velocity of 750 feet per second with 310 foot-pounds of energy. Have fun! bullet at a similar velocity of about 750 fps. The woods are tight around me and generally its tough to see more than a 100 yards around here and that would be considered open country: Posted: 12/9/2011 3:27:38 PM EST [#5] What are you going to do if there's a knockdown target ? Smith & Wesson Centerfire Revolvers. (I) Giveaway ends March 20, 2022. The 44-40 chamber is too large(about the same diameter as a 45 Colt case) and bottle necked. Below, from left SWC with a gas check. How are you going to get that load to feed in a rifle ? FYI: The flying ashtray was a .45 acp hollow point manufactured by Speer. I bought a box of .44 Russian about a year ago to answer this question regarding my Marlin 1894. Taming its recoil takes some serious effort. Kinetic energy is equal to half the mass of the bullet times its velocity squared. With similar ballistics and accuracy of the .44 Russian using the then new smokeless propellant. I don't paint bullets. These were advertised as being chambered for the .44 Colt/Russian because they will also shoot the .44 Russian cartridges. Handloaders can choose from almost every bullet style under the sun. Winners will be notified by certified mail on official letterhead. However, the opposite isnt true. Other revolver events are dominated by the medium bores; Jerry Miculek may run a .44 Magnum faster than you'd believe but remember that you aren't Jerry Miculek. and operating pressures between itself and it's predecessors. Contest void where prohibited by law. Except he disliked the two-diameter heel-type bullet used in .44/100. Some of these early factory loads had lube grooves exposed. When a hunter shoots an animal, it may not drop dead in its tracks. Not only is the break-open design simple and safe, but the 44 magnum has very low recoil for the mass of the bullet with about 10-11 ft-lbs being about average. Deep penetration can be either a blessing or a curse, depending on the scenario. An aggressor jacked on adrenaline and/or drugs could swat off several shots to center mass and keep charging. While .44 Special is more than serviceable for medium to smaller game at modest distances, the reality is .44 Magnum has such a good track record that you might as well not bother. In comparison, the .44 Special is softer than a newborn kitten. He turned what had been almost exclusively a target cartridge into a viable big game hunting cartridge. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. The R92 is a clone of the Winchester Model 1892, one of the earliest and greatest lever-action .44 Magnum rifles ever produced. This revolver was chambered in a .44 centerfire, however to accommodate those who had Winchesters and wanted a companion revolver, S&W also chambered the American in .44 Rimfire, used in the Henry and Winchester 1866 Yellowboy leverguns. . I look at the .44 Russian compared to the .44 Spl. Sort By. to right: .44 S&W Russian, .44 S&W Special and .44 Remington Magnum. I was hoping not to have to go the "try and see" route You can safely shoot .44 Russian ammunition in any .44 Magnum or .44 Special revolver. So, yes, the Special is definitely a viable defensive cartridge. Is it absolutely necessary to have a .44 Russian chambered cylinder or will the .44 Special work just fine with Russian brass? When the bullet makes impact, much of that kinetic energy is transferred to the target, sending concussive energy through soft tissue. WARTHOG, Dirty Rat #600, BOLD #1056, CGCS,GCSAA, NMLRA, NRA, AF&AM, CBBRC. At ignition, the projectile is going to rattle around in the chamber until it engages the rifling and won't be real accurate. No purchase necessary. Box 1926, Escondido, CA 92033. Can You Shoot .44 Special in a .44 Magnum Handgun? Fiocchi Shooting Dynamics 22LR 40gr HV Copper Plated RN - 50 Rounds. Keith partnered with Smith & Wesson and Remington Arms and the cartridge was introduced onto the market in 1956. To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. Box 1926, Escondido, CA 92033. DocAitch Registered Joined Dec 17, 2008 931 Posts On 44 WCF its .471. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. Both pistol and rifle. No purchase necessary. Should I? For those with their hearts set on a .44-caliber handgun, the choice between special or magnum ultimately boils down to how you plan on using it. There is, however, a known phenomenon of shorter cases sometimes degrading accuracy most likely due to gas inefficiency and/or a longer jump to the leade. I use it in, 25-20 (resized from 32-20) , 9MM, 38 Spl, 357 Mag, 40 S&W, 10MM, 44 Russian, 44 Spl, 44 Mag, 45 LC, 454 Casull, 460 S&W and 45-70. 30+yrs ago the pistol targets were 4" plates at 50ft, the rifle targets were 8" plates at 50-60yds. The main difference is in the case dimensions. For loading I use Oregon Trails 225- and 240-gr. Shooting the mule-kicking .44 Magnum definitely isnt for the faint of heart. GUNS Magazine The .44 Russian - GUNS Magazine The .44 Russian Born in the USA, perfected by The Bear Written By John Taffin Experts Campfire Tales Handguns Revolvers 2020 84 In 1870 the United States Military purchased 1,000 Smith & Wesson .44 American revolvers. Colt and everyone else that makes single actions frequently offer dual cylinder models in .44/40 and .44 Special. The .44 Spls ballistics arent too far off from the .45 ACP, which remains a popular option for both law enforcement and civilian personal defense. Until quite recently, the factory loads for the .44 Special have been pretty anemica 246-gr. If you can reload them, put a hollowpoint or a wad cutter in there and let me know how it works. Only a mother could love a face like yours. The result was the same velocity with the same 246-grain round-nose lead bullet, affectionately known as a Flying Ashtray due to being large and slow. On the left is a Navy Arms replica of a 3rd Model S&W .44 Russian. I hav never understood the propensity for people to try the wrong cartridge in their firearms. The difference is enormous. It was named .44 S&W Special. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. The American gun maker made him the gift of an engraved presentation Model 3 valued at more than $400 (equivalent to $9,000 in 2021). Winners will be notified by certified mail on official letterhead. Police departments have also been ditching .40 S&W nationwide (partially) for the same reason over the last 20 years in favor of 9mm. If you need to bust through the tough hide, bone, and muscle of a charging bear, penetration is a good thing. The vast majority of .44 Spl loads are marketed for cowboy action shooting. The result was I had one ragged hole made by 50 bullets. Its amazing what a mere 4.4 grains of extra case capacity can achieve. Both the Mag and the Special are used by serious bullseye competitors, which proves both are capable of consistent accuracy. just wish yall had a share feature with these articles. Not me ! Taurus - 44SS8 8.375in 44 Magnum Stainless 6RD. Then there was a Third Model .44 Russian with 6.5 barrel. A 246 grain round nose lead bullet was never referred to nor does it in anyway resemble a flying ashtray. In late 1907 the .44 Russian sired its son, the .44 Special, and was around in late 1955 to see its grandson, the .44 Magnum arrive. The cartridge reached its prime in the 1950s, when the father of big-bore hand gunning, Keith Elmer, experimented with hotter loads and wadcutter projectiles. Giveaway prizes may have evidence of being test fired or exhibit minor handling marks. However, their most important contribution was to come up with the first cartridge using a bullet of uniform diameter. Winners will be notified by certified mail on official letterhead. It can increase the muzzle velocity of a 200-grain JHP by 150%. (I) Giveaway ends May 31, 2023. For example, Hornady has a single Special self-defense load compared to four different options for .44 Mag. Giveaway prizes may have evidence of being test fired or exhibit minor handling marks. Loading the 44 russian may need a new die or two. The 44 Magnum can be a real beast, loud blast and heavy recoil. With Lymans RN bullets 4.2 grs. Photo: Wikipedia. is a Navy Arms replica of a 3rd Model S&W .44 Russian. The .44 Smith & Wesson Special is well over a century old. .44 Russian is .429 same as .44 spl, .44 Mag. My 130 pound wife can shoot the Ruger. ", "The .44 Special Cartridge of the Century? Those factory loads leaded like the dickens! 44-40 or 44WCF are larger diameter cases like 45 Colt cases then bottle necked to a .427 bullet. However, you can shoot .44 Spl ammo in most .44 Magnum firearms. Glad I passed on a Charter Arms. Vintage Boxes - Gear, Shell, Case, Primer, Group Buys Design, Active , Waiting and Archives, Closed Buys/Waiting for delivery/in shipment, If this is your first visit, be sure to Deployed military should use stateside address. They were derived in a stair step fashion. I once loaded a bunch of balloon head .44 Russian brass with the standard original load of 23.0 grains of black powder under a 250-gr. Associated taxes and fees will be the responsibility of the winner. At typical self-defense ranges, there isnt time to see serious bullet drop or wind drift. If you wanted to find a really cool vintage .44 Special, look for a Smith & Wesson Model 21 or Model 24, though some Triple Locks and Colt New Service guns survive as well. .45 Schofield brass works better. The 44 Special has a parent case of .44 Russian, bullet diameter of .429 inches(10.9 Millimeters), neck diameter of.457 inches(11.6 Millimeters), base diameter of .457 inches (11.6 Millimeters) , and length of 1.615 inches(41.0 Millimeters). been EDCing a Charter Arms 4 Bulldog for years. I'm not set up for reloading .44 Russian, but I would expect that if they were flat-nosed bullets of some type the forward pressure would be more stable and the bullets wouldn't bind up. Basically, the faster a bullet is traveling when it contacts the target, the deeper it will penetrate. This gives .44 Mag an edge in accuracy over .44 Special in some weapons, but the reality is that the difference will likely be imperceivable to most shooters. No substitutions or transfers to a third party are allowed. Dash Caliber To me it is just about the perfect carry gun with the old Skeeter Skelton load. Get a magnum if you're going to do magnum things, dont if youre not. Elmer Keith had pushed the envelope for years with ever heavier bullets sent downrange at faster and faster velocities. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. This evolutionary improvement became an archetype, influencing future cartridge designs. First introduced in 1907, the .44 S&W Special cartridge was developed specifically as a revolver cartridge for the companys new Triple Lock wheel gun. For close-range varmints and small game, the milder .44 Special works just fine. Out of curiosity, I tried chambering some .44 Spl. And because the Mag can be loaded into both handguns and rifles, it can serve as a handy, dual-purpose cartridge. 44 Russian is typically loaded at 650 to 700 fps with a 200 grain CSWC or CLRNFP. round-nosed lead bullet. Smith & Wesson released their new wheel gun chambered for a more modern .44-caliber cartridge - the .44 Smith & Wesson Special. If you were really torn about these two cartridges, the best practice would be to get a .44 Magnum and figure out which .44 Special loads shoot to the sights and don't lose any accuracy. All entries must be received by giveaway end date. A Russian general serving as a diplomat in America took note of the Model #3 and thought it would be an excellent sidearm for the Czars cavalry. Yup and yup. Sign-up now to get more revolver content every Wednesday! Keith eventually approached both Smith & Wesson and Remington with his idea of factory loading a hot .44-caliber for big game hunting. The non-necked design makes it a viable option for areas that restrict hunting with necked-down cartridges. All entries must be received by giveaway end date. With improved firearm metallurgy available, Smith & Wesson increased the bullet weight of the new cartridge to 246 grains while retaining a heavy 23-grain black-powder propellant charge, which almost equaled that of the .44 American and produced a muzzle velocity of roughly 750ft/s. Any discussion of magnums should pay homage to both of them. To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. A .44 mag loaded to around 900 to 1,000 fps will still make a significant impression on the local bag guy. .44 Russian is .429 same as .44 spl, .44 Mag. Deployed military should use stateside address. 5. The new magnum case was the .44 Special stretched to 1.29. Meanwhile, the .44 Spls recoil is mild as milk. Cowboy 44 44 Magnum Cowboy .44 Magnum 180 Grain TCFP BLACK Hi-Tek Coated Lead Cowboy Action~100% Hand-Loaded!! 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