My familys all in California. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course. you can keep it until its needed, until you can like water, elemental, and best when its humbled, brought to its knees, clung to by someone who. I almost think that this poem could be used as a meditation. Tippett: several years later and a changed world later. We honor poets and poetry as necessary companions in mustering words spacious and generous enough to reach across the mystery of ourselves and the mystery of each other. [laughter] But I mean, Ive listened to every podcast shes done, so Im aware. I really love . Many of us were having different experiences. And enough so that actually, as I would always sort of interrogate her about her beliefs and, Do you think this, do you think that? even the tenacious high school band off key. But I do think youre a bit of a So the thing is, we have this phrase, old and wise. But the truth is that a lot of people just grow old, it doesnt necessarily come with it. And poetry doesnt really allow you to do that because its working in the smallest units of sound and syllable and clause and line break and then the sentence. BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: We have a profile today of Krista Tippett, the host of the weekly public radio conversation "Speaking of Faith," which won a Peabody Award this week. Tippett: Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. July 4, 2022 9:00 am. inward and the looking up, enough of the gun, And it feels important to me whenever Im in a room right now and I havent been in that many rooms with this many people sitting close together that we all just acknowledge that even if we all this exact same configuration of human beings had sat in this exact room in February 2020, and were back now, were changed at a cellular level. two brains now. And I was feeling very isolated. And if its weekly, theres a day of the week and you do it. And I found it really useful, a really useful tool to go back in and start to think about what was just no longer true, or maybe had never been true. And its true. Our lovely theme music is provided and composed by Zo Keating. enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high But I do think youre a bit of a So the thing is, we have this phrase, old and wise. But the truth is that a lot of people just grow old, it doesnt necessarily come with it. Thats page 95. I love it that youre already thinking that. And it really struck me that how much I was like, How do I move through this world? Remembering what it is to be a body, I think to be a woman who moves through the world with a body, who gets commented on the body. Tippett: Okay. And the one Id love you to read is Not the Saddest Thing in the World. This is the one where I felt like theres subtlety to it, but you just named so much in there. Weve come this far, survived this much. letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and Now, somethings, breaking always on the skyline, falling over. So Im hoping. beneath us, and I was just when it flickers, when it folds up so perfectly Why dont you read The Quiet Machine? And I feel like theres a level of mystery thats allowed in the poem that feels like, Okay, I can maybe read this into it, I can put myself into it, and it becomes sort of its own thing. And then there are times in a life, and in the life of the world, where only a poem perhaps in the form of the lyrics of a song, or a half sentence we ourselves write down can touch the mystery of ourselves, and the mystery of others. And I knew that at 15. Like, Oh, take a deep breath. Then we get annoyed when it works, too. And thats also not the religious association with Sunday, right? In me, a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. Two families, two different Then in 2018, she published a brilliant essay called Complicating the Narratives, which she opened by confessing a professional existential crisis. No, theres so much to enjoy. into an expansion, a heat. And it feels important to me whenever Im in a room right now and I havent been in that many rooms with this many people sitting close together that we all just acknowledge that even if we all this exact same configuration of human beings had sat in this exact room in February 2020, and were back now, were changed at a cellular level. And its funny to tell people that youre raised an atheist because theyre like, Really? But I was. On Being with Krista Tippett | 5 minute podcast summaries on Apple . Limn: I think the failure of language is what really draws me to poetry in general. brought to its knees, clung to by someone who And then thats also the space for us to sort of walk in as a reader being like, Whats happening here? God, which I dont think were going to get to talk about today. Its wonderful. Interesting. Limn: And I would just have these whole moments when people would be like, Oh, and then well meet in person. And I was like, [sharp breath] I dont want you to witness my body. So that even when youre talking about the natural world: we are of it not in it. Sometimes it feels like language and poetry, I often start with sounds. we never sing, the third that mentions no refuge And the title comes from when youre planting a tree and youre looking for where the sun is the right space, you can draw where the circles are, and theyll tell you to plant where the circles overlap. I really love . Im really glad youre enjoying it because theres many more decades. No, really I was. To love harder? Tippett: As we turn the corner from pandemic, although we will not completely turn the corner, I just wanted to read something you wrote on Twitter, which was hilarious. At human pace, they are enlivening the world that they can see and touch. That is real but its not the whole story of us. And so I have. It just offers more questions. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. So well just be on an adventure together. We keep forgetting about Antlia, Centaurus, But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full, of dust and I wish to reclaim the rising, to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward. Because I couldnt decide which ones I wanted you to read. podcast, this great poetry podcast for a while and. It unfolded at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis, in collaboration with Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Ada Limns publisher, Milkweed Editions. To be made whole/ by being not a witness,/ but witnessed. Can you say a little bit about that? And theyre like, Oh, I didnt know that was a thing. [laughs]. So we have to do this another time. A scholar of belonging. A scholar of magic. She grew up loving science fiction, and thought wed be driving flying cars by now; and yet, has found in speculative fiction the transformative force of vision and imagination that might in fact save us. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. to pick with whoever is in charge. And then a trauma of the pandemic was that our breathing became a danger to strangers and beloveds. Limn: Yeah, I was convinced. red glare and then there are the bombs. Tippett: I guess maybe you had to quit doing that since you had this new job. There is so much actionable knowledge in the tour of the ecosystem of our bodies that Kimberley Wilson takes us on this hour. Krista Tippett, Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living. Suppose its easy to slip So its this weird moment of being aware of it and then also letting it go at the same time. Cracking time open, seeing its true manifold nature, expands a sense of the possible in the here and the now. This is a gift. And that reframing was really important to me. They bring our nervous system and heartbeat and breath into sync and even into sync with other bodies around us. would happen if we decided to survive more? I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. Oh, definitely. I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. And I feel like poetry makes the world for that experience, as opposed to: Im fine., Tippett: [laughs] Yeah. [laughs] Oh my. I remember having this experience I was sort of very deeply alone during the early days of the pandemic when my husbands work brought him to another state. We speak the language of questions. Every week: practices and goodies to accompany your listen. Join our weekly ritual of a newsletter, The Pause, delivered to your inbox every Saturday morning. tags: curiosity , listening , oral-history , vulnerability. I am too used to nostalgia now, a sweet escape, of age. the truth is every song of this country And also that notion and these are other things you said that poetry recognizes our wholeness. the date at the top of a letter; though is so bright and determined like a flame, I think grief is something that is very We have so much to grieve even as we have so much to walk towards. people could point to us with the arrows they make in their minds. Tippett: That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. And the next one is Dead Stars. Which follows a little bit in terms of how do we live in this time of catastrophe that also calls us to rise and to learn and to evolve. I feel like theres so many elements to that discovery. What. Tippett: Its that Buddhist, the finger pointing at the moon, right? Why dont you read The Quiet Machine? Limn: Right. And it often falls apart from me. And I feel like the thing that always kept coming back to me, especially in the early days was, What does it do? Well right now it anchors you to the world again and again and again. Free shipping for many products! Tippett: So can we just engage in this intellectual exercise with you because its completely fascinating and Im not sure whats going on, and Id like you to tell me. I chose a couple of poems that you wrote again that kind of speak to this. Limn: Yes. I am human, enough I am alone and I am desperate, enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high. I almost think that this poem could be used as a meditation. What. And then Ill say this, that the Library of Congress, theyre amazing, and the Librarian of Congress, Dr. Carla Hayden, had me read this poem, so. I could be both an I At a special TEDPrize@UN, journalist Krista Tippett deconstructs the meaning of compassion through several moving stories, and proposes a new, more attainable definition for the word. Thats really hard. And the last voice that you hear singing at the end of our show is Cameron Kinghorn. I think coming back to this idea that poetry is as embodied as it is linguistic. Limn: Yeah. Yeah. A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. I love that you do this. And for us, it was Sundays. Science and the Human Spirit. I think thats something we didnt know how to talk about. Enough of osseous and chickadee and sunflower The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. , and its a villanelle, so its got a very strict rhyme scheme. Editor's note: This Q&A has been adapted from the podcast "Interfaith America with Eboo Patel.". edges of the world, smudged by mist, a squirrels. Limn: And hes like, Are you trying to ask me what the weather is? [laughter] Im like, Yes. nest rigged high in the maple. I think the failure of language is what really draws me to poetry in general. And sometimes when youre going through it, you can kind of see the mono-crop of vineyards that its become. This conversation shines a light on an emerging ecosystem in our world over and against the drumbeat of what is fractured and breaking: working with the complex fullness of reality, and cultivating old and new ways of seeing, to move towards a transformative wholeness of living. and you forget how to breathe. I will trust the world and I will feel at peace. And this time, what came to me as I stood and looked at the trees was that Oh, it isnt just me looking. Yeah, I had a moment where I hadnt realized how delighted I was to go about my world without my body. And actually, it seemed to me that your marriage was in fine shape. We are located on Dakota land. But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full But when we talk about the limitations of language in general, I find language is so strange. could save the hireling and the slave? Yeah. And that was in shorter supply than one would think. I feel like that between space, that liminal space, is a place where we were living for so long, and many of us still living in that between space of, How do I go into the world safely, and how do I move through the world with safety and care-take myself and care-take others. Im really longing I realized as I was preparing for this, Im just Of course, I read poetry, I read a lot of poetry in these last years, but I realized Im craving hearing poetry. But time is more spacious than we imagine it to be, and it is more of a friend than we always know. And I am so thrilled to have this conversation with Ada Limn to be part of our first season. All right. and the stoic farmer and faith and our father and tis Before the ceramics in the garbage. Perhaps Before I bury him, I snap a photo and beg, my brother and my husband to witness this, nearly clear body. unpoisoned, the song thats our birthright. Theres how I dont answer the phone, and how I sometimes like to lie down on the floor in the kitchen and pretend Im not home when people knock. Tippett: You said a minute ago that the poetry has breath built into it, and you said also that, you have said: its meant to make us breathe. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course, Enough of us across all of our differences see that we have a world to remake. When you open the page, theres already silence. Yeah. Each of us imprints the people in the world around us, breath to breath and hour to hour, as much in who we are and how we are present as in whatever we do. They are honoring and recovering the fullness of the human experience the life of the mind, the truth of the body, the wild mystery of the spirit, and our need for each other. Find Krista Tippett's email address, contact information, LinkedIn, Twitter, other social media and more. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course, The On Being Project and the one that is so relieved to finally be home. And I want you to read it. And I was feeling very isolated. Exactly. Is it okay? The danger of all poets and I think artists in general, is it some moment we think we dont deserve to do this work because what does it do? In between my tasks, I find a dead fledgling, Her volume The Carrying won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her volume Bright Dead Things was a finalist for the National Book Award. The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Limn: Yeah. An accomplished journalist, author, and entrepreneur, she was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2014. And then there are times in a life, and in the life of the world, where only a poem perhaps in the form of the lyrics of a song, or a half sentence we ourselves write down can touch the mystery of ourselves, and the . The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. I wonder if Im here again today or in a new place. And that was really essential to my practice of who I was as a creative person in the middle of such an enormous tragedy. Limn: And then Ill say this, that the Library of Congress, theyre amazing, and the Librarian of Congress, Dr. Carla Hayden, had me read this poem, so. And its always an interesting question because I feel like my process changes and I change. Like, Oh, take a deep breath. Then we get annoyed when it works, too. what you would miss. no one has been writing the year lately. the ground and the feast is where I live now. Yeah. I think that there is a lot about trying to figure out who we are with ourselves. And if you cant have hope, I think we need a little awe, or a little wonder, or at least a little curiosity. We want to meet what is hard and hurting. I mean, isnt this therapeutic also for us all to laugh about this now, also to know that we can laugh about it now? And one of them this is also on. Nov 19, 2022, 8:00pm PST. has lost everything, when its not a weapon, Krista Tippett is Peabody Award-winning broadcaster and New York Times best-selling author. So I think were going to just have a lot of poetry tonight. joy, foundational, that brief kinship of hold Woodworking and the meaning of life. Learn more at. My grandmother is 98. unnoticed, sometimes covered up like sorrow, Tippett: To be made whole/ by being not a witness,/ but witnessed. Can you say a little bit about that? But then I just examine all the different ways of being quiet. We havent read much from, , which is a wonderful book. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. The term "compassion" -- typically reserved for the saintly or the sappy -- has fallen out of touch with reality. Yeah, it was completely unnatural. A dream. not forgetting and star bodies and frozen birds, I feel like that between space, that liminal space, is a place where we were living for so long, and many of us still living in that between space of, How do I go into the world safely, and how do I move through the world with safety and care-take myself and care-take others. Tune in now. whats larger within us, toward how we were born. And its page six of The Hurting Kind. And so I think my investigation or my curiosity is not so much talking about poetry, but about where poetry comes from in us and what poetry works in us. Yeah, I think theres so much value in grief. Discoveries about the gut microbiome, for example, and the gut-brain axis; the fascinating vagus nerve and the power of the neurotransmitters we hear about in piecemeal ways in discussions around mental health. Tippett: Was there a religious or spiritual background in your childhood there, however you would describe that now? It wasnt functional in a way. The listener wants to understand the humanity behind the words of the other, and patiently summons one's own best self and one's own best words and questions.". Robin is a botanist and also a member of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation. And you mentioned that when you wrote this, when was it that you wrote it? Her volume The Carrying won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her book Bright Dead Things was a finalist for the National Book Award. I feel like it brings us back to wholeness somehow. Funny thing about grief, its hold for it again, the hazardous Harley at seven years old. And also that phrase, as Ive aged. You say that a lot and I would like to tell you that you have a lot more aging to do. SHARE. So anyway, I got The Hurting Kind, the galley in the mail from Milkweed. is so bright and determined like a flame, The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Yeah. Tippett: I think grief is something that is very We have so much to grieve even as we have so much to walk towards. Or, Im suffering, or Right. We live in a world in love with the form of words that is an opinion and the way with words that is an argument. And theyre like, Oh, I didnt know that was a thing.. And that between space was the only space that really made sense to me. Precisely at a moment like this, of vast aching open questions and very few answers we can agree on, our questions themselves become powerful tools for living and growing. and desperate, enough of the brutal and the border, enough of can you see me, can you hear me, enough. kitchen tables, two sets of rules, two And also that notion and these are other things you said that poetry recognizes our wholeness. I want to say first of all, how happy I am to be doing something with Milkweed, which I have known since I moved to Minnesota, I dont know, over a quarter century ago, to be this magnificent but quiet, local publisher. And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. Definitely. Want to Read. And then there are times in a life, and in the life of the world, where only a poem perhaps in the form of the lyrics of a song, or a half sentence we ourselves write down can touch the mystery of ourselves, and the mystery of others. And then what we find in the second poem is a kind of evolution. I feel like theres so many elements to that discovery. rough wind, chicken legs, And even as it relieves us of the need to sum everything up. Join these two friends and interpreters of the human condition for . Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and more towards stretching into this world ahead with dignity, wisdom and joy. That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. Page 20. Definitely. An electric conversation with Ada Limns wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. Limn: Oh, thank you. Im so excited for your tenure representing poetry and representing all of us, and Im excited that you have so many more years of aging and writing and getting wiser ahead, and we got to be here at this early stage. Kind of true. rolling their trash bins out, after all of this is over? I think I enjoy getting older. Two entirely different brains. And so its giving room to have those failures be a breaking open and for someone else to stand in it and bring whatever they want to it. fact-like take the trowel, plant the limp body So we have to do this another time. But in reality its home to so many different kind of wildlife. A special offering from Krista Tippett and all of us at On Being: an incredible, celebratory event listening back and remembering forwards across 20 years of this show in the good company of our beloved friend and former guest, Rev. On her show she promoted her new book, Einstein's God, and if the show is any indication, this new enterprise promises to be a fun fest for people inclined . bliss before you know On Being Studios's tracks [Unedited] Ocean Vuong with Krista Tippett by On Being Studios So I want to do two more, also from The Carrying. And the last voice that you hear singing at the end of our show is Cameron Kinghorn. And together you kind of have this relationship. Which I hadnt had before. I think coming back to this idea that poetry is as embodied as it is linguistic. If youre having trouble writing or creating or whatever it is you make, when was the last time you just sat in silence with yourself and listened to what was happening? In the modern western world, vocation was equated with work. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. Sometimes it sounds, sometimes its image, sometimes its a note from a friend with the word lover. And if I had to condense you as a poet into a couple of words, I actually think youre about and these are words you use also wholeness and balance. I write the year, seems like a year you squeal with the idea of blissful release, oh lover, Its a prose poem. Weve come this far, survived this much. that sounds like someones rough fingers weaving Because I love this poem, and no one has ever asked me to read this poem. Tippett: So the poem you wrote, Joint Custody. You get asked to read it. I dont even mourn him, just all matter-of-. lover, come back to the five-and-dime. Out here, theres a bowing even the trees are doing. And the Lilly Endowment, an Indianapolis-based, private family foundation dedicated to its founders interests in religion, community development, and education. What would happen if we used our bodies to bargain. Krista Tippett founded and leads "The On Being Project," hosts the globally esteemed On Being public radio show and podcast, and curates the "Civil Conversat. by even the ageless woods, the shortgrass plains, And I was having this moment where I kept being like, Well, if I just deeply look at the world like I do, as poets do, I will feel a sense of belonging. And I want you to read it. and the one that is so relieved to finally be home. And the Q has the tail of a monkey, and weve forgotten this. in the ground, under the feast up above. And actually, it seemed to me that your marriage was in fine shape. Written and read by wind? People will ask me a lot about my process and it is, like I said, silence. This is like a self-care poem. Our conversations create openings. As . Actually, thats in Bright Dead Things. Limn: Kind of true. 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