Pince-nez, okay. Radiolab was created by Jad Abumrad and is produced by Soren Wheeler. Radiolab is supported, in part, by the National Science Foundation, and by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science, technology in the modern world. Enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. And they're both secularized Jews. You mean they're looking at 20 million people going hungry? It immediately became apparent that there was going to be difficulties. Right, Clara comes from the same town, and they're both secularized Jews. And they would circle yes or no. Trivalent. And this is necessary in order to advance our noble cause.". Very distinctive looking man, bald on top, trim nice mustache, wore a little [pince-nez 00:28:20]. With my arm. Um, although there's some (laughs) [crosstalk 00:02:19]. This is Radiolab and today talking about? I'm just trying to imagine that. And later that night, after party, Haber takes a bunch of sleeping pills, goes to sleep. And oddly enough, we got a really interesting take on the true nature of badness from this guy-. You need to admit this. And that's what Shakespeare did in all of his plays. And it's just sort of approaching. Horrified like, "Oh my God, my students are murderers?" Take one. Well, have you ever been blackmailed the way this woman was being blackmailed? Terrestrials: A New Kids Show from Radiolab. Radiolab weaves stories and science into sound and music-rich documentaries. So around the turn of the century for German scientists like Haber, this was the challenge. Times. Dylan Keith is our director of sound design. Our fact checker's Michelle Harris because facts matter. But did it, publicly, in front of her friends. New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. Go on please. That's Stanley Milgram talking about the experiment in a film. Podcast Transcripts of Radiolab Radiolab Society & Culture Science Latest Transcripts What Up Holmes? And so I went up to the bedroom to find him and he was in a rage. He did this experiment a bunch of times, and in a bunch of different ways. Which is a- a fairly small, you know, a small sort of town. Making him the most prolific serial killer in American history. So, how do you feel about him now because I don't know I can't help but feel bad for the guy? In 1962, Stanley Milgram shocked the world with his study on obedience. And as it happens, my father has very vivid memories of investigating the Carol Christensen murder. Humans. To him, he seemed calm and I left, and went home. Fast forward 10 years. Is an absolute order. I'm not saying a word. More energy than seemed, like, possible to make. And even when they do say yes, even when they go along with the experiment, as you can see in the film. Uh, when- when asked how close she came to killing him, she estimated 60%. She was one of the first women to earn a PhD in her country. He said, "Look, this is what you're going to do is of course you don't want to do this. We should say that this next section of the program has some references which are extremely graphic-. You know, he does it without humility, without- without a lot of doubt. Radiolab believes your ears are a portal to another world. Eventually Iago convinces Othello that his wife has been disloyal; which she hasn't. You're telling us all this. And he is basically homeless at this point. You've touched me. You know, solar energy from the sun to grow crops. At high temperature. Nice job? Did members of Haber's family die in the concentration camps? They continued shocking their corpses. New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. Obviously no need to be alarmed, that was not a real shot. Give me two more minutes. If the experiment had to be successful, it had to be carried on.". That's radio producer Ben Walker, he'll be our guide for this segment. Some people describe it as a cloud, and then others describe it as this kind of 15 foot wall kind of hugging the land, and it's just sort of approaching. Whether the learner likes it or not, we must-, What's interesting is that how all of these struggles, all of them-, Play out the same way. Probably have, but in case you haven't. As far as I know, I don't know if I did or not. He was t- very aggressive. Yeah. It's about how far would these people go. And every time that guy got a word wrong-. Although once again we're getting a little ahead of ourselves. This is how it describes what it does: 'Radiolab believes your ears are a portal to another world. Well the thing that haunts me about the why question is that I'm reminded of one of the oldest stories in the Bible, which is the story of Job. There's something deeply, deeply wounding, stressing, upsetting a thought that he had anything to do with Zyklon B, but he did. So if you have kids in the room, maybe this is a time to tell them to go brush their teeth or something. The Blank Slate follows one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind as he explores the idea of human nature and its moral emotional and political coverings. And he wrote this graphic novel that I read about one of the most prolific serial killers in U.S. history; Gary Leon Ridgeway, the Green River Killer. I mean, you know, it's just one of those things we've been bringing back shows that we think are just vibrating still in the world. I'm going to resign.". And you have a number of chemical reactions. So- so first of all, could you just like, uh, when did he live and what did he look like and that kind of stuff? But you can't throw that air onto a plant. He is- he wants to feed- he wants to feed Germany. And it gets even more disturbing for my father as the conversation suddenly pivots to another victim. You're cut down before then. Yeah. Yeah. Hi, I'm Robert Krulwich. He didn't really want to cop to everything that he did. September 15, 2022 Radiolab for Kids and WNYC Studios present Terrestrials, a six-episode miniseries hosted by Lulu Miller (co-host of Radiolab . And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? And my father wasn't buying it. But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. So, Jeff wrote this book because his father, Tom Jensen, was one of the lead detectives tracking Gary Ridgeway. The good Iagos make you want to shower the minute you leave the theater. We begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. A lot of people were beginning to worry that with about a billion and a half people in the planet at that point, that maybe we were maxing out. This is what totally pulled me into the story. I'm about to help this quest for knowledge, I really want to do a good job.". And they ask for it to be reformulated to take out the warning smell. But I needed to kill her because of that. They reach back to the shelf and they find this zyklon stuff. On the other hand, if anyone can do it-. "This was exactly what was in my mind. If this is the singular moment in Shakespeare where he gives you un-understandably evil man. He was in this, um, uh, uh, state of fury, he said, and, um, and instead of hitting his wife, he smashed his fist into the bathroom mirror. Did members of Haber's family die in the concentration camp? Birds would just fall from the air. Hey this is Jad, RadioLab is supported by IBM. What follows is this ongoing conversation between Job and his friends about why does this happen? They will spare his son if he fesses up and- and tells them what they need to know. We thought that maybe as- as we turn a corner ourselves, we should refresh. That's it? I'm not going to give you what you want. Was he trying to make a commentary or something? [inaudible 01:00:01] is I- I went back one time before [inaudible 01:00:05] that I, uh, like I said, I got to get it out. You know, you're not the first person that's ever done this. I have a choice, I'm not going to go ahead with it. He stirs up hatred between friends, between lovers. For much the same reasons. Y-P-R-E-S, Actually the Americans called it [inaudible 00:36:42]. The leaves would just sort of shrivel, and the grass was turning to the color of metal. It's about 1880. [inaudible 00:59:22] it's building up [inaudible 00:59:24]. That afternoon, he gets in his car, goes home, he finds my mom on the deck, sits down next to her. He recruited a bunch of subjects. Well he started fuming that his wife had dissed him, and-. We're close to some really fundamental truths about human nature. So in the end, where do you come down? They spent the next six months interrogating him, they brought in psychiatrists, and forensic psychologists to try to get an answer. And they think it's right. And so, I went up to the bedroom and he was, you know, in a rage. I think I call it pince-nez, so I'm not sure. He was trying to repeat this masterstroke. [inaudible 00:49:36] bad people in Shakespeare. We were just enacting an old very famous experiment you may have heard about. He had snapped. Eugene [inaudible 01:07:32], Sierra Hahn, and everyone in the manuscript and archives department at the Yale University Library. Now the volunteer couldn't see the guy he was shocking, but he could definitely hear him. Saying, "You know, the process that I used to make food? I might even tilt towards saying he's a little good to be honest. And even when they do say, "Yes." Here's what he did. And he was someone who had very big ambitions. Suddenly I'm thinking this is actually a darker interpretation. Up until that point, Gary refused to say, "That from the minute I picked these women up, I wanted to kill them." And then, walks away from his child and his wife dead in the garden and says-. There's lots and lots of lessons here, but one is I think, you know, when you are enjoying to do something for the greater good, maybe ask yourself the question, what is greater and what is good? Continuing using the last switch on the board please. I killed her. Do you leave this experiment in a light mood or in a dark mood overall? And later that night after the party Haber takes a bunch of sleeping pills 'cause he's asleep, um, and she takes his service revolver. But in all of these other scenarios, they don't. Jul 28, 2018 We want what Elizabethan's got at the scaffold, which was a confession. Especially when it came to one particular fact. There's a pause and my father just says. Then the executioner castrates you, cuts you open, and takes out your internal organs, and then separate your head; which is put on a post. So, you see, it's just in that one experiment that 65% of people are willing to go all the way. So, he decided he was going to invent a process to pay for these reparations by himself and what he decided to do is go into the ocean, into seawater, which contains, um, uh, some very small levels of gold. So, you don't know. You know, I'm really proud of Job. He refuses what we fully expect and what everybody on stage at that moment fully expects from him. By the way, that's reporter [Latif Nassar 00:30:59]. And not just yeses. Is that how you say that thing-. And then she said, "I actually did this. Meaning, I mean, what- what- any idea what was in his mind? I would rather have scientists who carry doubt with them as they proceed. What you know-". But this was a moment in German history, he says, when Jews had a decent amount of freedom. And maybe forces hydrogen in the tank. And he said, to start, "You want to know about bad? That's one of the things we have to know, and that's why it's okay to let it out. You can see this in the surveys that the men filled out after the experiments were over. Because if you ask university undergraduates, "What does the Milgram studies show?" Literally disappeared for six months, and didn't tell anyone where she was because she was terrified that he was going to kill her. I- horrified is- I was- I was pretty stunned. That afternoon, he gets in his car, goes home, he finds my mom on the deck, sits down next to her. And he says, "That's what people wanted. And then, and- So, he says that and you're like, "Okay. The thing is that I do have a new boyfriend, but my ex boyfriend doesn't know that- that yet, and I'm terrified that he'll do what he says. Making him the most prolific serial killer in American history. All rights reserved. It has enough what they used to call then solar energy. Let's begin with this story from our producer Pat Walters. That's what we're heading towards. He would deny things, he would obscure, he would dance around things. The fourth product is-. She had something else on her mind. And we end with the story of a man who chased one of the most prolific serial killers in US history, then got a chance to ask him the question that had haunted him for years: why? Want to talk about bad people in Shakespeare. New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. Yes. This hour we take a look at what happens when we all try to live together. He figures out a way to take a lot of air that's filled with these little nitrogen bonds clinging to each other, and pump it with big iron tank. And they're saying, "Have you checked out Job? He takes over leadership of this institute in Berlin, and he starts hobnobbing with a whole different level of society. And he goes home for a few days. It is still trotted out to explain everything from hazing to war crimes. Although, I don't know if that's the right word for this next thing 'cause it's sort of more complicated. Check out the Casper or the Wave mattress with a support system that mirrors your body shape. And to this day, they have not talked about that day, and he hasn't talked about it with anyone until I interviewed him for the book. So, the subject seemed willing to shock another human being, but as soon as you say it's an order. Go. He's such a puzzle to me. And so, we've decided that it's time to go back to something we did once upon a time when we were wondering about good and bad. Visit our website. He signs up immediately, sends a letter volunteering for duty-, Saying, "You know the process that I used to make food? Like, he didn't intend for that to happen. Okay? Jeff Jensen's book is The Green River Killer, A True Detective Story. And you find yourself in a situation where you've got to do something that's hard. Hmm. And in January of 1984, the Green River Task Force was formed, and my father was recruited to the task force. So, it's very-. And on their skins, as on the bark of trees, have with my knife carved in Roman letters, 'Let not your sorrow die, though I am dead.'". This story made us wonder, "Is David's friend-". "Demand me nothing, what you know-, From this time forth, I never will speak word." But you know, we ended up walking this question around to different people. "Definitely yes.". All right. How many of them went into that kind of detail? The show is nationally syndicated and is available as a podcast. But if you put two experimenters in the room and-. The authoritative record of New York Public Radios programming is the audio record. He had an attack or something there. Scattered One dead dad. These are people who are incredibly noble, they are. Why did you take these women off the streets and wanted to destroy them? On the other hand, I mean, if you look at the grand calculus, people he's helped or fed, versus people he's killed, I mean he's fed billions of people. But if looked at from another perspective, there is a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. To find page after page of yeses. ", Now, Haber was Jewish, but because he'd served in World War I-, But 75 percent of the people who worked for him at the institute, they were Jewish-, And says, "This is intolerable. I got to tell you, um, I'm not totally comfortable that you are providing all the information about-. Iago. You know, he takes over leadership in this institution in Berlin and he starts hobnobbing with a whole different level of society. How do you tell the real baddies from the rest of us? Like shocking an innocent stranger over and over. Those who could still breathe would turn blue. Yeah. Transcript. I dated her several times a year. Each answer just begs another why. The expectation is somebody is made to make his peace with his maker before he dies. And what happens is that your elbowing the nitrogen apart from itself, and then forcing it to bond with the hydrogen in a new way. She expressed disapproval about his clothing choices. Equal Housing lender licensed in all 50 states. It makes up four out of every five or so molecules that we breathe, so it's very-. He stirs up hatred between friends, between lovers, he even schemes against his own wife. Hmm. And says, "This is intolerable. This is what's driving the world towards 10, 12 by 2050. Do we know? Um, could you just- just tell me, uh, the little story that you begin your book with? But he is a large, very strong man with a black belt in karate. For information about Sloan, at www.sloan.org. These little nitrogen atoms will fiercely hold together, and it's almost impossible to pry them apart. Now, as we sort of know in life, lots of things that we do, if they worthwhile doing, and not always easy. The killer seemed to have placed the bodies as if they were mannequins. He takes a trip to Switzerland to a sanatorium. They will invariably say something like, "They show that people obey orders." Like you just did, which happens constantly. And you know what? When you needed to stop for breath, your hand ran light and steady. I mean-, So again, the baseline study is the one where 65 percent of the volunteers-, But in experiment number three, if they put the shock-ee in the same room-, With the shocker so the shocker could actually see the person that he's shocking-. Yeah, necrophilia. Now, of course you could find some nitrogen out in the world. "This was exactly what was on my mind. With my arm. Like, saying like, "I don't want to kill a guy.". And he goes home for a few days a hero. Mm-hmm (affirmative), Mm-hmm (affirmative). ", "We'll basically bring it to the front and when the- when the wind is right, we'll just spray it.". Thousands of people have done it before you. So, he starts experimenting. Okay. We did a show called The Bad Show. You better check in on him sir. And actually two nations in South America went to war. "Research in any field is a must, particularly in this day and age. If any sizable fraction actually acted on their homicidal fantasies, the streets would be running red. Go on please. Okay. So wait. He walked out of the room, and just started weeping. Yeah. Why did you do this?" Of course, nobody wants to be killing other people; we realize this is hard work. Radiolab is supported in part by the Alfred P Sloan Foundation enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. And so when I went to the party, the party was already in full swing when I got there. Yes. Natural deposits would be like seaweed or-, Actually two nations in South America went to war-. 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