The metal also gives this ski a strong and confident feeling in a high-speed carved turn no matter what the snow conditions may be. You folks offer an impeccable and generous service. Good, not great. Preference: Finally, theres preference. With a fair amount of camber underfoot, the Maverick 100 is energetic and snappy, and thanks to the new Omatic Core construction, the skis are light in the swingweight as well. This has led me to start looking for something else. Was thinking the turn radius on 177 Mantras would be similar to the 185 Enforcer. First place I come to for quality insight on the latest equipment. They have a great blend of stability and maneuverability. Hey guys We usually pair skis of this caliber with either the Marker Griffon 13 or the Tyrolia Attack 13--both have strong performance. Hi David! Aggressive skiers who are looking for something just a bit more manageable than the burliest skis out there. An SE tester favorite, there is not much this ski can't do. Also, if you like bright orange bases that reflect in the snow, youre in luck. Im currently on the Brahma- I believe its the 2015 and I do like it but thinking of getting a new setup- maybe slightly wider. Can you describe some of the nuances between these? Swerve-masters and jibsters all over the world. This guide is for Alpine Skis. SE. Say what you will about Stockli, theyre all about precision, even if its at the expense of pure flotation. The Mantra is certainly more demanding, and I think you'll prefer the Kore, especially when following kids. One of the pinnacles of precision in this comparison, the Kastle MX 98 is likely the most confidence-inspiring ski on the wall. I would peg me as an advanced intermediate skier able to do groomed blacks but stay off western double blacks. I'm 40, 6'2'' and 180lbs, spent all my life on groomers. Thanks so much for any advice you can offer! Happy to chat more about it if you have other questions. I still ski on a 1998 Salomon Super Force 92S in a 203 from time to time, so I'm right there with you. You could, however, argue that the Bonafide just accepts skier input a little more easily than the MX 99. The Attack 13 is great too, low stand height, wide platform, and the twin cam heel piece makes them a little easier to click in, but you won't have any problems with that. Two skis that stick out are the Blizzard Rustler 9 and the Fischer Ranger 94 FR. They're 104 underfoot and have a turned-up tail (but not a true twin-tip) and they are tons of fun. SE. fyi length-wise I heard the Bent 100 skis a little short due to rocker but I do find the 184 Bacons to be plenty 'enough' even being the twin tips they are. Hi Chase! Just retired, and purchased the Ikon pass. I am (6', 205 53 year old), have been skiing off an on for 45 yrs. Surely, something of this price level should perform properly, but it doesnt really do it on its ownit does require a skilled and attentive pilot to get the most out of it. These skis seem super similar, anyone tried both and have any thoughts? I'm a snowboarder that skis 20 days a year and my style is probably best described as fast and loose! What would you recommend as a quiver of 1 for my first real purchase? Love the reviews. Getting down to the final few candidates but curious on your advice to make a final decision. Its ability to transition through different snow conditions is perhaps its most impressive attribute. To determine your size, simply flip a ski pole over, grab it under the basket, and place the handle on the ground. The mantras are heavy as *** but I am really only hiking to a bit of sidecountry, not any real touring. I usually ski bowls, trees, moguls, etc, but will find myself on groomers, run-outs, etc. The Tracer is the feather of the group, and I'd say that's a better choice for skiers who are looking for more of an alpine/alpine touring ski versus resort-specific. Thanks a lot. I think I'd like something with a little more edge grip, especially when we get icy conditions! I've been skiing a totally different ski, Cochise, there awesome if I'm on my A game and want to rip but I'm getting older find them a bear anymore. Mark, Hi Mark! If you're looking for a lighter ski that has a lot of different benefits, this is a great one. The Bent Chetler 100 has developed a great following over the years, and for good reason. While its got the dual-metal laminate, its more active and engaging than a lot of skis in this grouping. Their AirTec core sheds even more weight by removing strips of material, which is then supported by a titanium laminate. I live in Virginia and primarily ski at Snowshoe WV. Thanks! Myself? Built with a Maple Macroblock wood core, these skis and their half-cap construction are about as noodly and wiggly as it gets in the ski world. I'm willing to give up a little of that speed on the groomers for something that I can turn /float a little while in powder. Both of these are a bit more user-friendly than Enforcer but still a total blast. However, I think I would prefer a ski in the 98-102 range. I'm 180 pounds, 5'9", 60 years old, ski mostly soft snow all over the mountain in Colorado and New Mexico at an advanced intermediate or low advanced level of competency on Salomon QST 92 169 cm skis about 20 days a season. Thanks for all the reviews and helpful information on your site! Is 177 right for the use I'm intending or should I size up to 184. Built with a poplar wood core and diago fiber mixed with fiberglass, these skis have a good amount of energy to them for sure. SE, Hi SE. This is not a bad thing, and when you get to the underfoot region as well as the tail, it becomes apparent that the M-Pro likes to finish a turn in a very strong manner. Let me know if you have any thoughts or advice, and keep up the good work! While the previous ski on the list, the Mindbender 99 Ti, leans more to on-trail performance, this Salomon Stance 102 skews more to the fresh stuff. Your email address will not be published. On the other hand, the Unleashed is a little softer than the Enforcer with a more pronounced tail to offer a freeride application. Also, not necessarily. Skiers who value stability and power over lightness and flotation. Thank you for the comment! At your size, I'd recommend the E100 in the 185--don't overthink it! I'm looking for some advice - I bought my first pair of skis 5 seasons ago as a low-intermediate. This time, we're doing the same thing, but we're looking at 100 mm skis! Blizzard mentioned the 2020 getting a little beefier wood in the core for stability/power vs the 2019. Thanks. Softest ski on the wall, and by a pretty good margin, the Line Blend is a tricksters paradise. I just got back into skiing last year. I'm currently on Dynastar Contact 10ST at 174cm, so ready for change. These skis aren't listed from best to worst, we don't believe that a certain ski is just downright better than any other ski. Im a mid-30s advanced (expert on piste) skier, 190lbs, 61 and ski 90% in the European Alps 10-15 days a year (with the occasional trip to the West Coast). Probably 70/30 on/off-piste, enjoy moguls and glades, and powder when I can find it but not terribly often. Dan, Hi Dan! As far as Phantom is concerned, I've found that it's not faster than a good temperature-matched wax, but the permanence of the treatment is appealing to a majority of skiers who don't normally wax. SE, Hi. SE, Hi Kyle! I'd look to the mid to upper 170's for length. The Rustler is a good choice as well, as it has a partial metal plate that gives you more control on the groomers. Out West, where things are a bit more open, its not uncommon to see skiers on skis much taller than themselves. Its pretty apparent when you click in and push off, that youre not only on a very precise and high-quality piece of ski machinery, but also a super high-performance one as well. Thanks. Other hints that you're looking at the Mondo Point and not the BSL would be if it looks something like "270/275" or if the number is found on the bottom of the boot. Have fun! SE. All of our reviews, ski tests, and comparison articles are rooted in that belief. Do you need metal? Nope! With more dramatic rocker and taper, the QST 98 is almost twin-tipped and ready for some freestyle application. Loving the new Salomon QST 98. I'm in my 50s and 6'1 205, consider myself advanced intermediate skiier. Elan Ripstick 96 2. Skiers who spend most of their time on groomed terrain but like a wider-bodied ski for both stability and versatility. I usually stay away from groomers, or if I find myself on one, I'll cling to the edge and dip into the treeline as much as possible. 2020 Atomic Bent Chetler 100 Used Demo Skis w Bindings 164cm Sale: $599.99 39% Off $985.00. The Enforcer was smooth and quick edge to edge with decent float but not super stable at high speeds and the Kore 105 was fun with good float although lacking true carving ability on firm snow and was easily deflected in chop. The QST 99 is quick, playful, and responsive. I guess it comes down to how often you're truly skiing in fresh snow, and for most people, it's not all that often. It has the torsional stiffness to hold an edge on firm snow, the stability needed to ski fast and aggressively, yet it's also light enough to tour with without being exhausting. I also really liked the Salomon QST 92, so that's worth a look as well. The ski doesn't have to be super damped on high speeds off piste properties are more important to me. I am skiing in big sky and have a pair of Brahma 88s for hardpack days. I've been considering Nordica Enforcer 93 and the Fischer Ranger 99Ti. At 100 mm underfoot, this is the widest Maverick, containing a poplar wood core and two sheets of titanal. Wanting something easier to maneuver and have fun with. It sounds like you're leaning to the Enforcer, and as an Enforcer 100 owner, I don't think I want to talk you out of it. While this isnt a free pass to say screw all that, I know I need 210s!, it is an official recognition that different skiers have different preferences which can easily change the length of ski they purchase. The result is a "boost" in the ski's power and stability, but the overall feel of the QST 99 stays more or less the same. Characteristics of an advanced skier would be: the ability to ski most, if not all trails, an ability to ski fast, regular ability to ski off trail, and more traditionally, the ability to link full carving turns at full speed. Would the extra flotation of the rustler 10 or QST 99 not be worth the loss of edge hold/carving ability since Im primarily skiing frontside terrain? My wife is still working up to the level of the kids. Good level. Turns will be slow and steady, and at the end of your time as a beginner, youll be starting to tip your skis to turn rather than pushing yourself to turn with your heels. Stowe opens this Friday, so we're not far behind you Hi Gian! It uses some of the longest rocker in this comparison article, especially in the tip. My young kids enjoy going off piste and I do not like my skis on moguls or in trees. But perhaps Ive got enough weight and height to get enough reaction out of the 184 Mantras if I need shorter turns? Other hints that you're looking at the Mondo Point and not the BSL would be if it looks something like "270/275" or if the number is found on the bottom of the boot. I didn't find the 185 lacked for stability, but the 193 was smoother. -Tom, Thanks Tom! 188 cm might seem huge, but at your size and given the shape of the ski, it could definitely work. Yes, theyre twin tips. (78mm waist) About 5 years ago I demo'd Volkl Mantras on an epic day in Colorado and loved them. I'm looking at a bunch of skis in the 90-100 cm range. Another surprisingly stiff ski, this one more in the tail versus the shovel, so kind of an opposite to the Fischer above. Volkl changed up the Mantra for the 2019 season! While the construction is slightly different between the three, the overall concept and goals are similar. I think if you're looking at light and quick and maneuverable, you're really talking about the Atomic. Atomic Bent Chetler 100s vs. Salomon QST 99 I'm on the search for some all mountain skis to fill the void of not skiing during the summer months. Have fun! Really honest and good ideas. Hi Joe S! Head is another company focusing on delivering high-end performance in a lightweight package. Based on what I've read, I think the Rustler 10, Kore 99, and QST 99 are probably the best candidates. The QST 99s I have is 174cm.I am just wondering if there's something in between the Mantra and the QST. I have pretty much narrowed it down to the QST 99 or the Nordica Enforcer 100. I've been renting for the last few seasons (nothing special) but now I want to buy something. Last year I demo'd the Sky 7, which I really liked in the powder we got in Montana. I'm really leaning towards the QST 99, Bent Chetler 100 or Enforcer 100 - I'm not sure how to decide between the group nor 100% certain on the length - I think i was on a 181 last week, but I think i'd also be comfortable on the 188. Elan Ripstick 96 Black Edition Damn I love these skis. Its a great tree ski for here in Vermont, and its a better floater than its width may indicate. Hi! Any other ski suggestions are welcome as well of course Ski area: Lake Tahoe, CA, 10-15 days a season Have fun! Keeping in tradition with the twin tip and more freeride-orientation, the Holyshred also employs a relatively long turn radius, coming in at 19 meters in the 182 cm length. All the skis you listed are great. Like the Tracer 98, the Sky 7 HD is more focused on soft snow performance than firm snow performance. Talk to a Skier: href='/Chairlift-Chat/DPS-Phantom-2-Wax-System-Explanation'. Fantastic in the woods and bumps, these skis have some substance to them for sure. Need help please. models that really started/re-started this ~100mm all-mountain ski evolution, and it retains a lot of qualities that make it relevant to this day. Adam, Hi, Thanks so much, and keep up the awesome reviews!!! The Volkl 90Eight and the Rossignol Sky 7 are two other choices, but you're probably pretty well covered with the versatile Rustler and Pinnacle series. Performs really well on firm snow, but is also fairly capable in soft snow. I am looking for a ski that will progress with me as I push my skill level further between more off trail runs and improving on my mogul riding. I was thinking the Nordica Enforcer 100, though maybe I should be looking at the 93. If we were to pick two words to describe the Kore 99 from Head they would be stiff and lightweight. Maneuverable in soft snow, holds an edge on firm snow, it's a very versatile ski. From nose blocks and butters to tail stands and nollies, these skis are built and shaped to handle the most creative freestyle ski minds on the planet. Of course if you don't have ski poles to try this out on, you can always use the chart below. I'd go with the Rustler 9. I learned to ski in demo/racing programs in VT, so have a pretty aggressive style, but these days do the majority of my skiing out west - especially at Big Sky on the tram. SE. Not necessarily. Also, I'm thinking I should be looking at a longer ski (maybe 180cm+)? It was soft snow but not powder and definitely not hard east coast stuff either. Considering your weight, I'm thinking either QST 99 or Ranger 98 Ti would be best. Will spend enough time on groomers to not completely forsake having fun there as well. So there might be some powder, some crud, or the moguls might get skied out to become fairly icy; there's only so much soft stuff one gets to see inbounds during a holiday week. Power and precision on groomers, but also a surfy, floaty, fun feel in soft snow. I'm guessing you'll ultimately choose another ski, but I also think you'd enjoy finding out what the new Mantra is all about. SE. The flex pattern and shape of the Pinnacle 95 Ti give it really good performance in soft snow. With a new shape and profile versus the outgoing QST 99, the new 98 distances itself a bit from the Stance series skis, likely the 96 in the case of this 98. Best Regards, HI Jesper! For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. I'm aggressive on-piste and more moderate off-piste, especially in narrower chutes and trees. Looking for something between 97-101 underfoot with a partial or full twin tip. SE. I'm 6ft 210lbs and typically ski 50/50 east/west coast and 30/70 on/off piste - i tend to ski aggressively, but also like to play around in the soft stuff. It's quick and responsive and really performs well across a variety of terrain. I'm 6', 165lbs without gear. Trying to decide between the BC 100 and QST 98 and Im torn. I think the best thing to do here is to get a ski that blends the power and precision of the Mantra with a more playful, soft-snow oriented ski for your sidecountry and soft snow adventures. You probably spend a lot of time on firm snow, but want to be able to venture into soft snow conditions without getting bogged down. Update: We compare the Bent Chetler 100 to the Line Sick Day 104, Nordica Enforcer 100, Black Crows Daemon, Rossignol Soul 7 HD, Faction Prodigy 3.0, Fischer Ranger 102 FR, Blizzard Rustler 10, and more. Could the Kore 93 work? I'm pouring over the choices in this category and am looking for your pro support to narrow down my choice once and for all. Check out the Blizzard Rustler 10 and 9 (104 vs 94 underfoot) as well as the K2 Pinnacle 95 and 105. It's really quite versatile for a wide range of terrain, and also performs a little better at slower speeds than the M5, so might work better when going slow with the family. Those skis all blend power and playfulness. All that but still fun and capable of being opened up once I hit the groomers back to the chair. The Liberty Origin 96 is the second twin tip we've looked at in this comparison article. It's not an overly stiff ski, and I think would perform really well for what you're looking to do. We felt the 99 fits better with the "All-Mountain" moniker a bit better than the 102, which leans more to the "Freeride" side of the spectrum. I'd say the Experience and Rustler are a bit more user-friendly while the Mantra has a leg up in terms of carving and edge grip. You want something thats both easy to turn and has a high-performance ceiling. They check all your boxes in terms of groomer, fun, bumps, light weight, and manageable. We see a lot of teen skiers on these raging around the woods, but theyre also more than acceptable for mellower skiers who just want something easy and playful with good energy for all-mountain cruising. Salomon qst 99 At your weight, I think you can rule out the Bent Chetler, as it's a little too soft flexing for someone your size. A 120 mm waist and blended rocker profile give you a solid footing for surfy floatation . I'm leaning toward the M5 Mantra, but also like the QST99 and the 98TI. Appreciate the feedback! The longer turn shape of the Stance 102 is mostly to blame, as this straighter-cut ski loves to be used directly in the fall line. What binding would you recommend? They're great in trees and bumps, but the Camox might be more well-rounded and with a higher-performance ceiling. Have fun! I ski pretty playfully and love doing small drops and side hits. The main story here, though, is the rocker profile and the amount of splay in the tips and tails, making this ski stay up and out of fresh snow, while leading to a turnier overall mentality due to the shorter effective edge. Terrain mostly 70% off piste and 30% on. July 13, 2018 by Luke Koppa. It has a relatively soft flex pattern that will allow a skier to butter, smear, and play in all sorts of different terrain and snow conditions. If you're looking to stay in the ~100 mm category and want a more friendly Enforcer, look to the Atomic Bent Chetler 100 or the Salomon QST 99. SE, How would you compare the M Free 99 to the Bent Chetler 100 and the Camex? Is the 13 sufficient or should I go for a 16? A bit beefier wood used for 2020, but it's not really that noticeable. SE, We cannot guarantee mounting if your BSL is provided after the original order is placed. I'm really torn between the Bent Chetler 100 (180cm) and the Sick Day 104 (179 or 186cm) for a 50/50 one ski quiver mounted with Shifts to be used mostly in the French Alps. After a number of demos and research, I purchased the Rossignol Experience Ti 88s (173cm) earlier this season. Bent 100 Skis. Its a refined feel, that is amazingly a bit softer than the outgoing version, and more skiers will be able to find a home on the Kore 99. Jesper from Sweden here, I'm 180 cm and weight about 72 kg 32 yo. Have fun! If the pole is too long, then your forearm will be angled slightly up. The surprising part of the ski, though, is the amount of energy and snap that it generates underfoot and through the tail. For help with Nordic Ski sizing, please call us at: (877) 812-6710. I just purchased the Ranger 102 as my soft snow resort / tree ski with the Masterblaster 96 as my firm snow ski. SE. I'm an intermediate skier, looking for that elusive 1-quiver. Versus the other skis on your list, the QST's don't have metal in them (except underfoot for binding retention), so they're a lot better for skiers who fit your description and application. That gives the Enforcer 100 excellent vibration damping and stability, but because the metal is thinner it softens up the flex a little bit from tip to tail. The tip rocker profile is on the longer side, but theres not a whole lot of natural tail rocker up until the twin-tipped shape. Carve, float, pivot and smear. Have fun! If you loved the feel of the QST 106, but want to go a little narrower, I'd go with the QST 99. The two models aren't close at all. I was looking for an all mountain ski and I liked what you had to say about Salomon QST 99's. The Enforcer 100 starts to feel like a ski with more of an even mix of performance characteristics for different terrain than some of the skis we talked about above, but the important thing to remember with this ski is it still uses two sheets of metal. Also, I'm trying to teach my 5 and 3 yo kids to ski so I'm in need of some maneuverability. 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