Initially, I expected H1000 or Retumbo to be the best powders for the 7 PRC since they are fan favorites of the 7 Mag. In summary, this is why the 7mm Rem Magnum is an excellent ballistic performer. Shots at game at 800 yards are extreme and should only be attempted by shooters that are using the right equipment, and have the coaching and preparation to positively make the shot. As soon as the cartridge was officially announced, Hornady announced many rifle makers that will be producing factory offerings for the 7 PRC. For example, most of the all-copper expanding bullets need something like 1,900 0r 2,000 fps to expand even a little. At 300 m my Blaser R8 shoots on 2 cm with these bullets. The Hornady 7 PRC is a new long-range hunting and competition cartridge that slides neatly into the gap that exists between the 6.5 PRC and 300 PRC. Ive been working with some pre-production brass that isnt very good. The challenge of loading for any of the PRC cartridges is the extremely tight tolerances. The bullet does not drop below the speed within the max range specified. John B. Remember, they dont show you the times it didnt work. There are no bullets below the 0.284 caliber with a ballistic coefficient higher than the 7mm. This load has been optimized in Shoot! This bullet with a muzzle velocity of 3000 fps in a 10 lb shooting system, with proper stock design is about a maximum level of recoil a long range hunter should deal with. Ballistic Table Ron Spomer 7mm RM, 2,900 fps from 24" bl. 7 PRC would be a nice step down in recoil from a 300 win mag as long as you choose a lighter bullet. As long as its a standard long-action, you should be just fine putting a 7 PRC barrel on it. Let me know! Just like shooting near dawn or dusk, or shooting into a glare. Ballistic Programing/Custom Turrets:If you are buying a ballistic range finder or kestrel we will program the ballistic computer for you so everything is ready upon arrival. We've measured the reference system to be on the order of eight inches at 1000 yards, but because of its exponential dependency on time of flight the 1500 yard drift could be as much as five feet! The first is simple to measure and compensate for. Red Oak, White, or Chestnut for Deer Herd? I do lose stability out past 1000 yards but still great performance. Did you perhaps mean 50 cm? It will a produce a line graph showing the bullet drop and flight path of the bullet. The 7 PRC is designed around the 180-grain ELD-Match bullet; however, some people will certainly point to the fact that the 7mm Rem Mag has been able to shoot 180-grain bullets for many decades. With the high BC of some of the 7mm bullets, ballistically this 7mm PRC will outshine most 6.5mm and 30cal cartridges. You have to find the right balance of weight and aerodynamics. The 7mm PRC will beat the following cartridges in sales over the next 20 years: 280AI, Gunwerks LRM, and the 7mm Rem Mag. It was an exciting huntwe would spot goats from the valley floor, and climb 3000-4000 feet every day to hunt them. One of those limitations is shooting system portability and that goes hand in hand with recoil and muzzle blast. Backfire was the first publication to put together a 7 PRC as soon as the SAAMI specs for the cartridge were released. Minimum sucks. Love your channel and style. Thanks for all the helpful info on the 7PRC. Rifle Type Both the 7mm Rem Mag and the .300 Win Mag are only chambered in standard/long action rifles. This is great. Im a big fan of the 7mm. The maximum effective range of the 6.5 PRC for hunting is approximately 730 yards, at which distance many bullets will slow below 1,900 fps which can cause a bullet to fail to expand. Thread starter redneck watchdog; Start date Dec 8, 2011; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member. Whidden Gunworks doesnt show 7mm PRC offering on their website. He is a well-known entrepreneur, having started many successful online brands, and lives in St George, Utah. Even fairly experienced reloaders sometimes struggle to get reloaded brass to fit properly into the rifle. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Thanks for your help!!! Something like a 145gr Barnes LRX would be a great choice. It is caused by the bullet aligning itself to the relative wind vector. Barrel Break In: All barrels will increase in speed. I have the 6.5 PRC and 300 PRC, and Im sure a 7mm PRC will be in my future. che velocit riesci ad avere? L. Neil Smith, at a 200 yard zero with a Hornady SST 162 gr your looking at 34.8" drop @ 500 beyond that it really really falls off quickly after that range . My scope has seen better days but my Weatherby Accumark is like new and I really like it. I was finally able to connect on a billy at 575 yards, but with a quartering 15 mph wind. All Rights Reserved. These guys have 7mm rem mags taking elk at 900+ yards. Winchester Ballistics Calculator. Simple as that. I contacted you about my 6.5 Fierce CT Rival that was having extraction and barrel pressure problems like you were. Shoot! I always run a suppressor would like to see 20 with suppressor vs 24 with break. Very impressive ballistics. They have some cool videos that explain it better than I can. I do reload and my rifle seams to like 70 grains. The same goes for doping wind for direction and speed. Shots near the max effective range can totally miss the animal if you misjudge the distance by 50-yards. for a 6 inch vital zone (typical of a whitetail deer). They sent me their full-length bushing resizing die and micrometer seating die and Ive been amazed with the quality. Basically, like a wind vane on a roof or windmill, the bullet will align itself with the prevalent wind. We will ignore any left/right effect, and focus on the vertical errors. JavaScript is disabled. Its a direct thread. Recommendation: The 7mm is recommended for military applications out to 1000+ meters. Unfortunately, as hunters we have other limitations that force us to settle for equipment with lower BC values and muzzle velocities. Theres always another hunt. In fact, Id guess that 60% of the new hunting rifles in most gun stores today are chambered in a cartridge designed by Hornady. Ive been curious how it would shake out/compare to the 7SAUM when seated long. Thats why knowledge of 7mm Rem Mag Ballistics is so important. I currently shoot a 300 Win Mag. 7mm Rem. We have an article on Backfire that goes a bit deeper into long-range hunting cartridges and bullet selection. For instance 180 grain bullet out of a .30-06 will have a range of numbers even if the MV is the same, as you can have bullets like VLD, spitzer/hollow point boat tail, flat base, and round nose bullets all found in factory loads. This means that velocity is the big player effecting how much a bullet will drop. This setup is for long range target shooting. Thats exactly what the 7PRC is, but it is by no means the only cartridge that offers those specs. Its all highly situational, but it matters. CHEERS!!! Obviously, there are many technical differences between the two, but they do fill a nearly identical hole in the market. I find your data a bit too limited, which can vary greatly depending on multiple other factors. This September I was able to hunt mountain goats with Beaver Foot Outfitters in British Columbia. Shooting Conditions in the Mountains can be hard to determine. Below is a picture of the 7 PRC that Preferred Barrel Blanks built for me (Note: I also bought a MDT HNT26 chassis from them, which they had in stock). Incline shooting, and cant are two more factors that need to be controlled. Corriolis effects from the earths rotation also needs to be compensated for. Sedalia, MO 65301 R . Made my own dies. Ideal extreme powders? bearcat2; Nov . Im still working on a load. Thats when little things cause failures. Winchester told me they arent planning a series. The recoil of the 7mm PRC produces 27.7 ft-lbs of energy at a recoil velocity of 14.1 fps. Shortening the H&H case to a length of 2.500 inches, and using a 25-degree shoulder, the 7mm Remington Magnum has an overall cartridge length of 3.290 inches. I feel it will offer the best velocity in a shorter barrel. Steve, Jim, Im in the middle of building a 7PRC. I am kind of waiting to find some Hornady brass to work up my official load. If its a can that takes a threaded muzzle device or a QD mount then who installed the device and did you time it for minimal POI shift? 375" drop w/ 100 yard zero. Download Shoot! Looking forward to seeing what the 7mm PRC can do by comparison. 7mm Remington: SP: 203: 2447: 2330: 7mm Remington Mag. what speed can you get? Just imagine a long slender VLD bullet compared to a flat nosed semi wad cutter. The only other company Ive seen with die sets is Whidden Gunworks. This spring I built a 7mm REM Mag with a long throat in a 28 inch barrel 1:8 twist from McGowen Barrels. Loris: 50 inch would be uncommonly long. Im guessing that the parent cartridge for this is the .416, but thats really a guess. For what its worth longest shot was 823 yards with my Leupold vx2 3-9 but that was eight years ago Custom Ammo:Upon request we can provide you with custom loaded ammunition. If you're after deeper penetration, look at the 139-grain Barnes VOR-TX Long. The effective range of a bullet can be measured in different ways because it depends on what the bullet needs to be effective at doing. Well, that would limit most hunting rifles to between 150 and 400-yards. All the scopes I like seam to be out of my price affordability. Here is my info: 3040 FPS, 160 accubond at .531 b/c, 50 degrees and 5000ft. If you want to knock it down.. use a 7mm. do you know the 7mm Blaser Magnum? personally I like the 338 luapa and the 6.5 creed, reasonable to shoot compared to a 50 bmg and they will get you out there where you want to be and dont skip on the glass , high quality glass and big power isnt cheap either. Note that BOTH of these are a compressed load, so you couldnt really go much faster than this with H1000. Awesome article and information. I think your numbers might be off. External ballistics covers everything that happens during a bullet's flight between the muzzle of the rifle, and the target. Mag. Ciao Jim caccio in zona Alpi in Italia cammino molto e vorrei un arma leggera . I believe that should be a max load but still safe in my rifle, efficient loading, and impressive speed. An inch is no big deal even if you're shooting squirrels in the head. Ive got a Remington Sendero with a Brux 1:9 twist. I have one on order with Preferred Barrels. Power Rank: 3.9 of 20. This is more than adequate for taking down large game the size of elk at this distance, provided you use the right bullet to penetrate to reach the vitals and place the shot accurately. Thanks again! Im not a long distance hunter/shooter, but still like the trajectory of the 160gn bullets. .308 Winchester Testing 160-168 Gr bullets. Do not rely on my anecdotal testing for your rifle. It has more case capacity than the short, and is very similar to thr max. Quanto pesa il sistema che hai realizzato? Or, you can of course use a custom action like a Terminus, Defiance, etc. So, the crosswind velocity and the bullet's time of flight will determine how much it is deflected in the wind. With that bullet, drop at 1000 would be measured in yards. lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec. 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For this ballistics demonstration we are using Norma 150gr Scirocco with a muzzle velocity of 3117fps and a ballistic coefficient of 0.536. I do think it was shame not to have made the neck 1-2mm longer for reloading. Its an incredibly popular cartridge, but over time, I expect the 7 PRC to overtake it.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_7',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0');if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_8',175,'0','1'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0_1'); .box-4-multi-175{border:none !important;display:block !important;float:none !important;line-height:0px;margin-bottom:15px !important;margin-left:auto !important;margin-right:auto !important;margin-top:15px !important;max-width:100% !important;min-height:250px;min-width:250px;padding:0;text-align:center !important;}. The 7 RM is too established to go away similar to how the 300 PRC didnt completely eliminate 300 WM sales nor did they likely affect 30-06 sales. Still havent been able to find brass. 61.6 grains H4831sc. I think the 280AI is a completely different animal as well. Personally, I like all three of those cartridges for different reasons, but I think this new cartridge will become so popular over the next few years that those cartridges will quickly fade in the rearview mirror. PBB will just thread the end in a typical 5/824 pattern and then youll use a direct thread suppressor like a Dead Air Nomad. Wonderful! 7mms in general produce such good ballistics like higher retained velocity, energy, etc because of the bullets made for this caliber. The bullets BC (ballistic coefficient) is very high at 0.536. Love what youre doing. Still a decent amount of case capacity left. The two most important variables are the Initial Velocity and the Ballistic Coefficient. Im a big fan of the channel and look forward to more on the 7mm PRC. Again, BC and velocity is important. Now, I either need to find ammunition to shoot, or new brass. Id love to see what data you get so I can include more data in this post. Now, if we could just shoot a bullet with a BC of 0.800 at a muzzle velocity of 4000 fps, we would have an awesome long range hunting round! These cartridges all drop less than 255 at 1,000 yards. The 7mm Rem Mag is available from 139-175 grains, while the .300 Win Mag is available anywhere from 15-230 grains. George Holt. Ive left comments but could use some advice. burning 61 grains Reloder 22 Recoil: 26.5 ft-lbs at 14.6 fps velocity Muzzle Energy: 3,269 ft-lbs Maximum Pressure: 61,000 psi MPBR: 365 yards (Zero at 307 yards, 3.9" high at 100 yards) These are some impressive numbers. For over 70 years Sierra Bullets has been dedicated to the manufacture of the most accurate bullets in the world. Your results may vary. As we examine the drop and deflection of a bullet it becomes apparent that BC and velocity are very important parameters for shooting at long range. Hey Jim, thanks for all the great content. The PowerRank is an estimation of the cartridge power. I expected it to go a little faster in the CX due to the lighter weight, but copper bullets can also increase pressures, so it seems that Hornady wasnt able to get any increased speed out of it. Hopefully with its introduction it will make SAUM brass easier to find because more people will go for the PRC moving forward. Great folks to deal with too. Please consider including this in future. Can you tell me which suppressor you are using? You mentioned that length. I apologize for the misunderstanding. Is that right? 7mm Remington Magnum ~ 150 Grain ~ Trajectory Chart Trajectory for Custom .284 7mm Mag Ammo #4550 at 3000 Feet per Second At an Elevation Angle of: 0 degrees Ballistic Coefficients of: 0.545 0.515 0.515 0.515 0.515 Velocity Boundaries (Feet per Second) of: 2200 2200 2200 2200 Load development: This process includes the fine tuning of bullet seating depth and powder charge in order to achieve the best precision possible for the rifle. I was about to embark on a 7 Saum build in a long action to use the longer, higher BC bullets. Ill keep pushing my 7RM 180gr at 3050 with 72.2gr Retumbo with brass more available than I could ever want or need. The list goes on. We all understand how gravity works, and with the additional corrections for atmospheric conditions, a bullet's drop is easily calculated. Those are definitely numbers that need to be accounted for, but most sophisticated methods for long range shooting handle these changes easily. rating at 4,200 fps, it would miss. Quick question the 7mm rem mag recoil is listed below the 7saum and 6.8 western in this table. Pinsoft Software. As you can see from the above table, the 7mm PRC is most similar to the Gunwerks 7 LRM. It has a length of 2.035 inches, 2.80 inches overall, with a 1:9.5 twist and a large rifle primer. This information is provided to the shooter as well. He is a well-known entrepreneur, having started many successful online brands, and lives in St George, Utah. 7mm Ballistics Examined For this ballistics demonstration we are using Norma 150gr Scirocco with a muzzle velocity of 3117fps and a ballistic coefficient of 0.536. Keep it up! I saw the BIG ballistics spreadsheet on your youtube videos, you should share that. Surprisingly, the factory ammunition for the 160gr CX bullet offers the same 3,000fps muzzle velocity as the 175gr ELD-X bullet. I mentioned that a bullet may not perform well under 2,000 fps. I really do like what you and your contributing crew are doing. Skyking; Oct 18, 2010; Replies 10 Views 8K. So youre telling me Springfield Armory is planning on making a 7 PRC Waypoint 2020 in 2023 ?!?!?! While the 7mm 168 grain VLD would only need 3100 fps at the muzzle to match that 2000 fps velocity at 1000 yards. They use Berger 168 gr VLD (Very Low Drag) bullets. It is intended for long-range shooting due to its ability to utilize high BC bullets, and is also uniquely suited for hunting large animals such as elk. Brux 1:9 twist goes hand in hand with recoil and muzzle blast challenge of loading for any the. The parent cartridge for this ballistics demonstration we are using most of the rifle shooting squirrels in head. 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